Guardian article

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www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/15/what-i-should-have-done-when-my-12-year-old-told-me-he-was-transgender?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Top surgery at 17?

The mother - and every other idiotic, negligent, brain-addled parent transing their child - should be forced to read this:

quillette.com/2020/10/06/forget-what-gender-activists-tell-you-heres-what-medical-transition-looks-like/

The comments are the only redeeming feature

They've allowed BTL comments?

young people are so much more accepting and progressive

Which is exactly why they’re explicitly and repeatedly targeted.

Only good part to the Graun is Marina Hyde and John Crace (both strike me as tethered to reality) and a few others.

@Abhannmor

The comments are the only redeeming feature . Elsewhere the paper has a story about the campaign to end FGM. Viner has had an irony bypass operation.

I noticed this, too. Terrifying article. And yes, you have a daughter who has had a double mastectomy at the age of 17.

There’s always a pseudo maturity to these children. Well, according to their parents. They are always resilient, brave, steadfast and consistent

This is what has surprised me every single time. While we were pulling our toddlers out the dog bowls and wiping paint and snot off every surface these children were asking when God will fix his mistake and give them a penis/vagina.

But,.yet when you see them older , on you tube and tik tok, and even tv, they come across as incredibly immature. I mean it often appears they know what they are talking about with their identity but then when forced to go " off script" you see they are well behind their peers maturity wise. Unable to hold a conversation without getting offended. Cant seem to follow subjects/conversations beyond their own experience. Exhibiting almost toddler like behaviour.

Its truly like a script that cant be deviated from.

I agree, Scully.

@DrBlackbird

I wouldn’t even blame The Graun playing both sides by, for example, reporting on a study that suggested transitioning might have some psychosocial benefits for some adult individuals. And several years ago it included two pieces on adult detransitioners 9one male, one female) who detransitioned some 10/15 years later with huge regret. But this piece? Incredible.

According to the photographer, when asked why her recent interview and photo story on Detransitioners was appearing in the paywalled Sunday Times and not the more youth-oriented and free to view Guardian, the Guardian was offered the piece and refused it.

The Guardian's funding system (including from a foundation that also funds Mermaids) means it reaches a younger audience than paywalled papers. Rather than making them more responsible as journalists and reporters, with a duty of care to fully inform young people, especially those who may be about to make huge decisions like this, it seems to have done the opposite.

Last year the Guardian published a similar piece to today's on a teenage male-to-female transitioner and other youngsters encouraged to transition through gaming communities. The teenager had been told by the lovely friendly strangers they had met online how to get mail-order hormones apparently without informing family or the NHS, and was now fundraising for 'bottom surgery', as the article coyly calls it, again outside the NHS checks and balances, and is acting as a 'mother' to more young 'eggs' in online communities.

But,.yet when you see them older , on you tube and tik tok, and even tv, they come across as incredibly immature

The narrative is definitely built up around them by their parents (usually mothers).

I still think though, when you meet the parents of “trans” kids that there’s still that darting fear lurking under the surface, that “what the fuck am I doing to my child”. That’s why it’s always important that their child is presented as unwavering and sure, to assuage parental guilt and uncertainty.

They also appear completely surprised at the outcomes of the surgery. How informed consent can be claimed was given I dont know. Particularly with the phalloplasty procedure. The transmen I've seen on you tube seemed surprised they were peeing into bags months later . Surprised and unprepared fir multiple revision surgeries. They appear to have a a tattoo planned to cover the area. But surprised they couldn't move their hand properly after akd need physio.

One I've recently seen also is on camera asking a dr what happened to their nipples. Like why would they not know ? How can accept consent from.someome who didn't even know the nipples would be beimh removed.

Yes, absolutely. I think that drives a lot of the activism of the prominent "mums" who I won't name.

I think that drives a lot of the activism of the prominent "mums" who I won't name

I’ve thought that as well. All the better to avoid self-reflection.

Here are some other articles from this person. She was convinced while pregnant she was having a boy:

www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/mum-shares-the-story-of-her-sons-transition-on-the-i-swear-i-never-podcast/news-story/7313e874fc1d38623751d78c31336841

Here she is being proud her child is going through menopause:

honey.nine.com.au/parenting/my-15-year-old-transgender-son-is-going-through-menopause-and-im-so-proud-of-him/4840ac74-bae2-4ce9-bfd4-8533da02fb67

With the following misinformation:

Once that oestrogen tide goes out, that's when a short and sharp menopause can hit. Apart from that, the only side effect is potential bone brittleness from a loss of calcium, so we're being vigilant about ensuring he's keeping up his vitamins.

ONLY side effect?! So nothing else?!

This woman is dangerous. If this was a post about Covid on Facebook it would be flagged as misinformation. But it’s seemingly okay to spread misinformation about the realities of medical transition.

I was disturbed by the part of the article where the mother states she was uncomfortable at first with the names and switch of pronouns but that it got easier.

Shes admitting the stress and upset ajd difficulties In pretending your reality doesn't exist. Reminiscent of the til tok videos where lesbians proudly admit they have gotten over their aversion to male genitals.

Seems to be a completely blind spot re the fact they have successfully brainwashed themselves. Trained themselves to speak untruths and endure things that make them feel uncomfortable but the feelings if everyone else around them matter and their feelings don't.

Its not the positive , devoted parent comment they seem to think it is

Someone on Twitter linked to a previous article by this writer about her divorce from the father of her two younger children (not the father of the trans child). It was about the time that the child was depressed (according to this article) - perhaps that background should have been acknowledged when deciding how to help a troubled 12 year old?

Poor child.

They also appear completely surprised at the outcomes of the surgery.

I wrote a long post on a previous thread about this regarding Freddy McConnell’s ability to provide informed consent. McConnell still doesn’t understand the implications of removing breasts, thinking if the nipples had been left alone Freddy would have been able to breastfeed. And this is someone who has had surgery and had 7 years to think about it.

@Whatwouldscullydo

There’s always a pseudo maturity to these children. Well, according to their parents. They are always resilient, brave, steadfast and consistent

This is what has surprised me every single time. While we were pulling our toddlers out the dog bowls and wiping paint and snot off every surface these children were asking when God will fix his mistake and give them a penis/vagina.

But,.yet when you see them older , on you tube and tik tok, and even tv, they come across as incredibly immature. I mean it often appears they know what they are talking about with their identity but then when forced to go " off script" you see they are well behind their peers maturity wise. Unable to hold a conversation without getting offended. Cant seem to follow subjects/conversations beyond their own experience. Exhibiting almost toddler like behaviour.

Its truly like a script that cant be deviated from.

Agree. The young people I have come across who believe in genderism definitely lack maturity and a “worldliness” that their peers have. They’ve spent too long staring at screens solo, watching YouTube etc rather than engaging in activities- sport, drama etc - with their peers.

@NotBadConsidering

They also appear completely surprised at the outcomes of the surgery.

I wrote a long post on a previous thread about this regarding Freddy McConnell’s ability to provide informed consent. McConnell still doesn’t understand the implications of removing breasts, thinking if the nipples had been left alone Freddy would have been able to breastfeed. And this is someone who has had surgery and had 7 years to think about it.

Yes. Poooor meeeeeee, nobody told me, it’s all their fault.

Such a victim.

It was their awful reporting of the Cologne NYE attacks in 2015 which turned me away from the Guardian. It hasn't got any better.

me too. I now take the FT on Saturdays and my DH takes the Guardian (for some reason). The difference in the quality of journalism is immense.

Agree. The young people I have come across who believe in genderism definitely lack maturity and a “worldliness” that their peers have. They’ve spent too long staring at screens solo, watching YouTube etc rather than engaging in activities- sport, drama etc - with their peers

Yes even the older adult transitioners. There's a script and they divert the interview back to it every time. The counter arguments are also often pre recorded answers having refused to go to the studio in person to answer live questions, explained away of course by the notion they are " unsafe" . If we are really lucky we get a written statement read by the presenter.

For people so decided to and convinced by gender ideology there's an awful lot of avoiding questions amd avoiding interviews etc and thise that do speak, well it all immediately gets personalised

That is a sad article. The pressure on Connor to be positive and happy about transitioning will be there for life. That's a lot of pressure for someone not yet an adult.

Yes. Or - “It’s so complicated and complex.” If that’s the case, why are pubescent/teenage children being allowed to make huge, irreversible, potentially devastating, changes to their bodies? Do they grasp the “complexity” that I am apparently too dim to be allowed to hear about?

It appears to be the only " treatment " that is a personal attack too.

If 3 people got the exact same cancer. One decided to have surgery. One decided they would do the chemo. One declined treatment all together . Not one of those people would see the other person's choice as an attack at their own.

But with this anyone unsure or anyone turning down medical transition is ostracised . As if it's a full on attack on everyone else who did. There's someone to blame. A parent or feminist or some evil " terf" who just wants trans people to not exist.

@MidsomerMurmurs

Makes me incredibly sad. And angry. The Graun was the only mainstream paper that reported the whole of political reality, has done amazing investigative reporting vs the Torygraph or Times and I want to support it

I have always been a Guardian reader, but it hasn't been in the business of reporting political reality for a long time. Remember "cast your vote enthusiastically for the LibDems" in 2010? I now find the Telegraph is eye-openingly interesting. Of course I don't agree with some of their columnists, but I am interested in reading views I don't agree with (or don't initially think I agree with).

I do find myself able to trust their straight news reporting in a way that is simply impossible with the Guardian. Wi Spa?

Investigative journalism? It was the Daily Mail who stuck with the Stephen Lawrence story.

I find the Times does great investigative journalism, such as into the Rotherham sex abuse. My impression was that the guardian was looking the other way terrified of being accused of being racist. Even when they were finally forced to confront it, they seemed more concerned to emphasise their anti-racist angle rather than the torture and abuse because of rampant, unchecked misogyny line.

Once that oestrogen tide goes out, that's when a short and sharp menopause can hit. Apart from that, the only side effect is potential bone brittleness from a loss of calcium, so we're being vigilant about ensuring he's keeping up his vitamins

I know someone going through medically induced menopause due to cancer treatment. She related a conversation she had with someone who had gone through the same saying, ' This is really shit isn't it? What happened before with the cancer was bad, but this is really shit'
And her co-survivor said, 'yes, yes it is.' She said she would have rather gone through chemo than through this induced menopause, where everything hits at once, suddenly. And its not short and sharp either.
At one hand society is starting to wake up to how awful and debilitating menopause can be, on the other we have this lot telling us its no biggy.

Even when they were finally forced to confront it, they seemed more concerned to emphasise their anti-racist angle rather than the torture and abuse because of rampant, unchecked misogyny line

I always find these stances an example of the thing they are trying to avoid. Like holding people to the same standards of behaviour as everyone else. Most people of any background are able to conduct themselves appropriately and not engage in sexual trafficking and abuse of minors. Its actually racist surely to assume we need to turn a blind eye to it . It insinuates they cannot be expected to abide by the same laws.

And with this? Well trams people and trans kids should be entitled to the same level of medical.care as everyone else. And have that care scrutinesd to ensure its ethical amd within the best interests long term of the patient and safeguarding is upheld like it would be for everyone else.