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Girl Guiding

11 replies

ChristinaXYZ · 08/02/2022 09:36

You'd think after recent events they'd be keeping their heads down or at least show some awareness of the issues they keep tripping up over. But no.

Yesterday's tweet:

twitter.com/Girlguiding/status/1490612047582834688

"Next month is International Women's Day and the theme is #BreakTheBias, so we want to know - how have you broken down stereotypes and challenged bias? Tell us in the comments"

..so people told them in the comments as requested and they did not like it. They have now turned the comments off.

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DomesticatedZombie · 08/02/2022 09:51

Holy fuck, and the one below it is one about 'safe internet day'

'On 9 February we’ll be marking #SaferInternetDay, highlighting girls' and young women's experiences online.

Sign up now to hear from our #GuidingAdvocates @carolinenokes
@MariaMillerUK'

twitter.com/Girlguiding/status/1490611041310584832?cxt=HHwWgMC9-YW2268pAAAA

They really are trolling.

WorkingClassWoman · 08/02/2022 09:53

Some of those responses are class

StrawberrySquirrelThief · 08/02/2022 09:54

Looks like the original tweet has also been deleted!

Torunette · 08/02/2022 10:02

Ahhhh, a public relations disaster that just keeps on exploding.

They need proper crisis management for this. It's like a chain of never-ending Ratner moments.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 08/02/2022 10:14

Did anyone screenshot or archive this? I'd love to read it!

TheCurrywurstPrion · 08/02/2022 10:50

@Torunette

Ahhhh, a public relations disaster that just keeps on exploding.

They need proper crisis management for this. It's like a chain of never-ending Ratner moments.

It really is. It feels like they’re burying their heads in the sand and hoping the furore will pass. However as they haven’t dealt openly with any of the issues, and indeed appear to have attacked some of those who have tried to raise them, either openly (sacking of leaders) or behind closed doors (alleged reporting of whistleblowers to the police) it’s not going to disappear any time soon.

They have locked themselves into a position which they have so far shown no sign of being able to justify publically, presumably because they cannot find any valid justification that would adequately answer those challenging their stance. It’s possible Sulley has been removed from the district commissioner’s position, but if so it has been done silently, rather than with an open and honest confession that they messed up.

Much more is required, including:
a) An open statement on their position
b) An explanation of the ways they have reached their conclusion(s) and arrived at that position and
c) A further explanation of the ways they propose to deal with any possible side-effects of the huge change they are introducing.

Bringing in a huge change without justification or explanation then refusing to address those who criticize that change, instead trying to silence them, isn’t working and it isn’t going to. Especially as they have now demonstrated that whatever structures (if any) they put in place when the change was brought in are inadequate.

Even an idiot would have made sure, if they elected a flagship person to attempt to demonstrate their new position was reasonable, that the person chosen to represent them was squeaky clean. It’s genuinely laughable, or would be if it wasn’t so incredibly negative for all the women and girls this has the potential to harm.

Helleofabore · 08/02/2022 11:55

I cannot believe they think that their way of dealing with this issue is and was in anyway appropriate. Or would not negatively effect the trust relationship that had been built up over the last decades.

They were foolish to think that people would just let this issue pass and resume as normal. Just as they were foolish to recruit someone without checking their social media thoroughly.

Just deleting the tweet is just not going to resolve this.

The brand is damaged. I am sure there will be many parents who will still keep their child in GG based on the local leadership. But as more get to realise what is happening, they will start being wary and drop out.

It will take significant energy and investment to overcome the damage their poor handling of this issue. I think they are only just realising this. Their social media interaction will become stymied. That is sad, but that is what they have left people with as the only way to register their complaints with this action.

It is GG who has caused this block in communication. They do need to own it and start listening.

Artichokeleaves · 08/02/2022 12:50

It feels like they’re burying their heads in the sand and hoping the furore will pass.

They've bought into believing that reality is created by feelings and is what you say it is. And anyone contradicting you is just a hater who doesn't matter.

Really once someone's gone down that road there isn't a lot of point in expecting shared meaning, or logic or reasonability from them. But equally, there can no longer be taking responsibility for children once that choice has been made. Since that requires a objective grip on reality and an ability to cope with facts.

Linguini · 08/02/2022 14:02

It's a shame I missed the excitement if I were on Twitter I'd love to ask them about their policy of allowing people with a penis who identify as girls to stay overnight in the sleeping dorms and use the showers etc with the girls on their excursions.
That's still their policy right?

Also, having an open paraphilic adult person with a penis, getting access to all these young girls sharing facilities with them etc. Because they've actually done that haven't they.

Wish I'd been them.

GuidingforDummies · 08/02/2022 17:36

You can ask them until you're blue in the face. They will just ignore you, Linguini .

I've asked them via email as a mum and as a leader, as a follow up to safeguarding training (asking them to fill the massive holes in their policies with some logic) and as a reaction to the negative news cycles they are involved in on a near constant basis. I've emailed my DC, the Safeguarding team centrally and Safeguarding for my county. Nothing. Just to be clear - I fed back to them after essential safeguarding training to say that I didn't understand how I could implement their policies safety in practice. This was not a gripe, but a serious concern about my ability to keep children safe whilst adhering to their policies. No response.

My next move will be to put it all together and ask them to give me a good reason to carry on being a leader, and putting all the hours in I do, for an organisation whose values are completely at odds with my own, and whose uniform I am finding it increasingly embarrassing to wear in public.

Dinnertime22 · 10/02/2022 08:47

I withdraw my dd and explained to the leader the reasons why. They did not disagree, but are too scared about getting kicked out if they raised concerns.
I trust that leader, but not the organisation.
It is a mess.

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