Really interesting article on the backlash against GI in Europe

[PostingForTheFirstTime]

europeanconservative.com/articles/essay/transgender-backlash/

No doubt where his views lie, wonder if he frequents these boards.

^Yet, from the British Isles to the Continent to the Nordic nations, people are beginning to wake up. Major medical institutions are beginning to put research over ideology. Each time this happens, trans activists lose power that they can never recover. And as the ugly and irreversible consequences of their delusional experiment become clearer, we can begin to hope that their narrative will implode sooner than seemed possible only a short time ago.

For the sake of the children being inducted into lives of perpetual medicalization, I desperately hope so.^

I desperately hope so too

Thanks OP. That's a very good article. I note this:
Trans activists are also warning that opinion may be turning against key elements of their cultural project, especially gender transition for children .
This can't come too soon.

Thanks for sharing that. Good to know that there is push back across the continent.

just a pity it is written by an anti abortion activist. Why can't these discussions become part of mainstream debate.

'delusional experiment'

• I like that phrase

I hadn't seen anything from this publication before, there are some interesting articles on various subjects and as someone who mostly gets media from North America and the UK it's always nice to add a viewpoint from a different region. I find the news I get about Europe can often seem to be very lacking in detail.

There was also this interesting one they had about pronouns:

europeanconservative.com/articles/commentary/words-as-weapons-why-we-must-stand-our-ground-over-pronouns/?fbclid=IwAR0yqlBXix9Jt_vU6YOMu5geOmQDTd3e0KXKo04DOkkFLe3a0e0dmgPTUgA

@Atarax

just a pity it is written by an anti abortion activist. Why can't these discussions become part of mainstream debate.

It's not a pity, it's a disaster. Such men are no friends to women.

“PostingForTheFirstTime

europeanconservative.com/articles/essay/transgender-backlash/“

Thank you very much. I would never have seen that or known about some of the resistance to trans ideology now happening outside England. The article has put across a lot of points well and it is heartening to hear that some people in other countries are now trying to resist too.

It's not a pity, it's a disaster. Such men are no friends to women.

Men who are campaigning against abortion are no friends to women. Men who are campaigning for gender ideology are no friends to women either. So that’s misogynists on both sides.

Hell….

A very clear exposition of the whole nightmare. Heartening to see the pushback in continental Europe

I do get exasperated by moans about the political leanings of authors.
What's your alternative? Are you waiting until the Guardian writes a similar article?
Because you will have a long wait.

We just have to accept that our 'certainties' about politics have all been turned on their heads. The Labour party have deserted us. Some of the people on our side are even anti-vaxxers, god help us. The liberal media are ALL on the other side.

Thank you for sharing this article. This is very positive. I’m hadn’t thought about the French being upset at the erosion of the French language. It’s so obvious this would be the reaction as they are hugely protective of it.

@Atarax

just a pity it is written by an anti abortion activist. Why can't these discussions become part of mainstream debate.

We can take the support form an anti abortionist because we fully understand that activism, politicking comes in all shades and guises. It would be ridiculous to only agree with someone if we were in 100% agreement with everything they said or thought.

I can abhor his stance on abortion whilst acknowledging his support against gender ideology. Just as I accept the same views from The Baroness!

I haven't been reading the continental European press on this, but my guess is that if you do read it, you'll find loads of bad news on this. A quick Google brought up that from last month Swiss people have been able to self-ID through a declaration, no questions asked. They just have to declare that they are convinced in themselves that they don't belong to the sex that they are officially registered as. Children can do this with their parents' agreement.
www.blick.ch/politik/grosse-nachfrage-nach-gesetzesaenderung-dutzende-wollen-das-geschlecht-wechseln-id17130838.html

The new German coalition government is left leaning, and includes the Greens and the FDP, who are both in favour of self-id from age 14 up (no need for parental agreement). It's not looking good in Germany.

@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn

It's not a pity, it's a disaster. Such men are no friends to women.

Men who are campaigning against abortion are no friends to women. Men who are campaigning for gender ideology are no friends to women either. So that’s misogynists on both sides.

Hell….

Pro-life activists are just as, or even more, likely to be women in any case, so the idea that this is some sort of thing men are trying to put over on women isn't a very accurate emphasis, anyway.

[quote Inebottle]I haven't been reading the continental European press on this, but my guess is that if you do read it, you'll find loads of bad news on this. A quick Google brought up that from last month Swiss people have been able to self-ID through a declaration, no questions asked. They just have to declare that they are convinced in themselves that they don't belong to the sex that they are officially registered as. Children can do this with their parents' agreement.
www.blick.ch/politik/grosse-nachfrage-nach-gesetzesaenderung-dutzende-wollen-das-geschlecht-wechseln-id17130838.html[/quote]
I din't take the article to be disputing this sort of thing so much as saying that there is more evidence of awareness of some of the issues.

The UK is really on the front edge of a lot of this, with places like Canada and NZ and Australia falling to the rear. Europe seems a bit of a mix or in between, while the US is completely polarized.

Reading now

It depends how much the press pick up on this. Most people are unaware, so it will be some time before there is a good understanding of this subject that it is widely discussed.

Main stream media makes decisions about what it will publish. The US media chose to not print anything but realised that people were finding out via other roots (strange that, whodathought we had that sort of capacity) More is being printed, more needs to be printed. Germany is fairly conservative but the administrators in the EU are progressive and may eventually come into conflict with member states. We live in interesting times

Meant to say, that these not very widely known publications are often the first step in wider debate

@highame

Meant to say, that these not very widely known publications are often the first step in wider debate

Yup. It's like there needs to be these publications that will take more risks. So many MS publications now are very paranoid about playing it very safe.

from last month Swiss people have been able to self-ID through a declaration, no questions asked

...and already a man has 'identified' as a woman so he can retire early and claim his pension. Oops, sorry he and her:
www.philstockworld.com/2022/02/01/swiss-man-legally-declares-himself-a-woman-to-retire-with-pension-1-year-early/

Not that anyone would ever dishonestly take advantage of self-declaration of course. That never happens.

I'm not sure what such hyperbolic writing achieves to be honest. Did anyone else find it a tad OTT? I think the facts of the situation speak for themselves without all the hyperbole. I didn't know who the writer was but felt some unease as I was reading it - felt a bit fire and brimstoney.

The information he is relating is, on the whole, sound and evidenced but some snidey comments and plain bad writing made me recoil slightly. The reference to The Finns (would 'Finland' not have sufficed?) and also referring to Carrie as Boris Johnson's 'millenial, live-in fiancee' - ewww. And 'horrifying civilizational medical experimentation' is just bad writing.

And then I found out he's a very enthusiastic Pro-Lifer and I can only imagine how he rants about that subject like he's up on a pulpit.

There's so many other good journalists writing on this subject I'm not sure this added anything to our understanding of the situation. And I'm sure it's not a publication many on MN read on a regular basis - it seems rather 'niche' - but I could be wrong.

I'm not one for dismissing everything someone says just because I don't agree with that person's politics or religion or politics per se. A stopped clock and all that. But I'm not particularly enamoured of this piece of writing and have learnt nothing new from it.

But Scold neither you nor most posters here are his usual or target audience. If he can reach the places GC women cannot reach, then all of his hyperbole and snide asides will do nothing but carry the wider GC message.

@ScoldBridal
I see what you mean about the writing style but I did find it informative in giving some idea of developments in other countries and comparisons between them, and in the way it gave a general summary.

For that reason I sent it to some friends abroad who had not realised the extent of how far the trans trend has been taking hold.