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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women's Bodies as Currency w/ Dr. Suzanne Vierling

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TheWeeDonkey · 06/02/2022 20:05

I'm heading off for the night now, but I saw this earlier today and have to share.

I've not heard of Dr Suzanne Vierling before but I love her insight and point of view. Here she discusses the racist roots of dehumanising language towards women, the surrogacy industry, the foster care to sex trafficking pipeline, and the commodification of womens bodies.

I'd love to hear or read more from her.

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TheWeeDonkey · 07/02/2022 15:16

Just bumping this thread as I think it's quite interesting following on from the Women's Hour thread.

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 07/02/2022 17:24

Blooming heck, I'm half way through this and wanted to say "thanks".

She is saying things which I have never heard before. It is mind blowingly outrageous. Just when I think this stuff can't possibly get any worse it does.

She's done a lot of talks in various feminist forums, so thanks, I've got someone to replace Exulansis on youttube! The Whose Body channel is new to me too, looks great.

TheWeeDonkey · 07/02/2022 18:56

It's new to me to but some really interesting interviews and we'll worth a look. I just love how in this conversation they cut right to the heart of the matter.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 08/02/2022 06:44

Very interesting. I don’t think the origins of the debasing, commoditisation and exploitation of women started with slavery though.

Many ancient civilisations held slaves as spoils of war. Feudalism was a Europe wide concept and in Britain the introduction dates back to approximately the 8th century bc. It swept East from Western Europe and continued to persist in parts of Eastern Europe until the mid 19th century.

Much as I appreciate serfs had a different status from the slaves of the slave trade, slavery was already a concept. Serfdom was ended by Elizabeth I and a century later, the powerful West exploited and created a global business out of the slave trade. Western populations had already been slowly raising the status of their indigenous populations but the people were already well versed with strict hierarchies and women had little rights and often viewed as chattel.

Pre-Christian Paganism recognises the power and fertility of women. The Romans adopted Christianity and in order to do so, it was marketed as a war faring, virile and male-dominated religion. In contrast, there is evidence that the disciples were in fact double in numbers with female and male pairs, it being ludicrous for men to preach to women during Jesus’ time.

I like her message very much. She has made a lot of brilliant point. However it doesn’t take into account the behaviour of the pre-industrial cultures and ancient civilisations, including the evidence of the use of bonds in ancient Mesopotamia.

I’m taking that she’s talking from from a modern, industrialised world view, then yes, I agree. Colonisation of Modern America was small scale pre-Jamestown in 1607, shortly before the start of the American slave trade, who were first used as indentured labour. So I suppose this is her reference point.

She is making some amazing points and putting a lot together in a way I hadn’t realised. Omg men’s brains work differently from women’s!

WarriorN · 08/02/2022 07:00

Thanks will watch later.

There's an article I read very early on when getting my head around this that sounds similar. It's a v hard read. Will find later

WarriorN · 08/02/2022 07:15

^ not an easy read but looks at earlier oppression and use of women as commodities

WarriorN · 08/02/2022 07:38

Watched some and blinking heck SadAngry

TheWeeDonkey · 08/02/2022 10:58

Thank you, I'll look at this later

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 08/02/2022 11:13

Oh, thanks for the article @WarriorN.

I keep having snippets of what Dr Vierling said on that interview pop into my head.

My knowledge of racism and Jim Crowe in the US is very poor - so I'm pleased to have someone who communicates so clearly on a very difficult topic.

WarriorN · 13/02/2022 14:26

Bumping, I'm further through this and jaw on the floor.

Worth devoting the time

WarriorN · 13/02/2022 14:28

Particularly the latter half where they discuss monetisation of birth including worth of placenta, breast milk etc, after surrogacy and prostitution.

ChristmasPlanning · 13/02/2022 14:37

Posting to read/watch later

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