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Sunak/Gove other potential PMs - any idea on their stances on women's rights?

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teawamutu · 06/02/2022 11:53

If we do get a new PM I'd hope they're aware of what a woman is and prepared to admit it.

Truss, definitely. Patel and Javid, seems so.

Not clear on the others, anyone got more of a clue?

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SamphiretheStickerist · 06/02/2022 12:04

Give could believe, say anything he bloody well likes. He won't get my vote. Ex teacher. Can't stand the toad. Even if I were a Tory voter I would spoil my ballot rather than encourage him.

nauticant · 06/02/2022 12:05

I did notice this in today's Sunday Times:

Both Mirza and Narozanski had clashed with Carrie Johnson over the issue of trans rights, although reports that Mirza and the prime minister’s wife had a stand-up row about her departure are untrue, since the aide was not even in the building at the time.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/paralysed-in-no-10-are-the-pm-and-his-wife-ready-to-let-it-go-2kdcnrhss

On the positive side:

Henry Newman, a close friend of the prime minister’s wife, is to leave Downing Street and is expected to return to work for Michael Gove, his former boss.

In case you didn't know, Newman is fanatically committed to Stonewall in its recent promotion of identity rather than of being.

Goatsaregreat · 06/02/2022 12:09

I noticed this comment in an article in the Times this morning talking about the resignations of Munira Mirza and Elena Narozanski, (Johnson's Head of Policy Unit & i/c of the equalities brief in the policy unit).

"Both Mirza and Narozanski had clashed with Carrie Johnson over the issue of trans rights"

I've wondered for ages why this government have tolerated so many toxic initiatives in allowing the removal of women's rights and child safeguarding to happen under their watch. I'd be very surprised to see Gove or Sunak joining the Starmers or Daveys of the male political world in wanting to legislate that a man can have a cervix!

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5dec122a-86a5-11ec-9c9e-c5f8451b2970?shareToken=be24c11e12599510ef6dac14c8e49c0a

Goatsaregreat · 06/02/2022 12:10

Grin Snap nauticant

nauticant · 06/02/2022 12:15

I did smile at us both picking exactly the same sentence.

delurkasaurus · 06/02/2022 12:27

There's also...

“She (Mirza) was followed out of the door on Friday morning by Elena Narozanski, who was in charge of the equalities brief in the policy unit. She is a former England team boxer who gave up the sport over trans rights and the fear that she would face an opponent who had been born a man in the ring.”

Boxing. Precisely the kind of sport where males vs females will peak the public.

Goatsaregreat · 06/02/2022 12:30

Agreed delurkasaurus

Sport really is demonstrating clearly to the general public the unfairness of what's happening.

BlackLambAndGreyFalcon · 06/02/2022 12:30

Javid did criticise Starmer when he said that it wasn't right to say that "only women have a cervix." How much of that was political opportunism is another question.

Hoppinggreen · 06/02/2022 12:31

I get the impression that Gove might not be a huge fan of women in general

teawamutu · 06/02/2022 12:33

@Hoppinggreen

I get the impression that Gove might not be a huge fan of women in general
Well, no. But suggests he can tell the difference.
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Hoppinggreen · 06/02/2022 12:43

They can all tell the difference when it suits them

fromorbit · 07/02/2022 01:28

Lets look at the 7 current frontrunners in the betting to be next Tory leader to see where they stand on gender and sex:

Of the two top frontrunners Liz Truss clearly understands human biology and is enthusiastic about supporting women.

Rishi Sunak as far as I can make out has never spoken about the subject publicly, seems evasive on the issue. He cares more about Thatcherite economics than social issues. However Sunak ultimately wants to win, so he will do whatever will gain votes so he may swing to support women.
Tom Tugendhat, a former solider has a solid Tory MP following and has already announced he would stand in a leadership contest. He is an enthusiastic supporter of LGBT rights in terms of freedom, however he celebrated the victory of Kate Scottow in her case freedom of speech case over misgendering. It is unclear what he thinks himself. twitter.com/tomtugendhat/status/1339897574162096129?

Jeremy Hunt presided over the NHS during a major expansion in genderism, and has often stated support for LGBT rights, but it is not entirely clear what he believes about women. Hunt is pretty rational so recent court cases etc may have an impact, but he is socially liberal so may feel he can’t speak out.
Michael Gove received the enthusiastic support of Sir John Hayes, the leader of the anti-woke Common Sense faction in the Tory party, in a previous attempt at being leader. Hayes is not going to have supported anyone who thinks multiple genders are a thing so Gove is likely to back the existence of biological sex. Also his ex was Sarah Vine so he probably received plenty of lectures on the subject.
As said before Saijd Javid, the heath secretary, used the cervix nonsense as a political weapon against Keir Starmer: twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1442082718402154498?lang=en

Now you could see this is Javid being opportunistic, but remember lots of other Tory MPs prefer to keep silent on the issue. He has also ordered a review into gender issues in NHS. I doubt Javid is bluffing. I think he sees there is an issue just like Truss, and also sees it as something he can gain support over.

The final one of the leading candidates Penny Mordaunt is a key supporter of gender ideology in the party saying “"it was the defining moral and cultural issue of our time”. She has spoken out in Cabinet on it. Mordaunt as a Brexity figure has a decent following amongst Tory MPs and the Tory base and has been talked up recently as a candidate that can appeal across the party.

NB Patel obviously is anti-genderism, but she hasn't got a big following amongst Tory MPs so is unlikely to get anywhere if she runs.

So Truss and Javid are sound for sure, Gove almost certainly. Tugendhat will back women’s right to speak out, what he personally thinks is uncertain. Hunt and Sunak are trying to play the social liberal card, but one suspects they might be converted to back women, but might not prioritise it. Mordaunt is a true believer in genderism and has to be stopped.

When there are hustings Conservatives for Women should make sure they ask the candidates what is a woman I think.

Remember Tory rules mean that Tory MPs vote to select two final leadership candidates and those then have to then compete for votes from party members. It is worth noting there is a anti Truss move amongst Tory MPs apparently, because she is seen as a liability by some, and rumour has it that there will be attempts to keep her out of final two running. Truss is very popular amongst Tory membership so might win for sure if she gets to final round. However Truss may outwit her enemies, whatever happens Truss is likely to remain high profile and that means she will be pushing her anti-genderism ideas.

It is likely the final vote will be Sunak vs someone else.

ChristinaXYZ · 07/02/2022 15:53

Penny Mordant stood at the dispatch box airing her views

www.spectator.co.uk/article/penny-mordaunt-is-wrong-to-repeat-the-trans-allies-mantra

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