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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Super positive news - shared toilets in school

17 replies

DrivelandNonsense · 06/02/2022 10:11

Thought posters here might be interested in this fawning article about ‘progression’

Shared toilets a symbol of Cork school's transition

www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0204/1277924-colaiste-eamann-ris/

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namitynamechange · 06/02/2022 10:19

Seems a bit like they wanted to make it mixed sex as they couldn't bring in enough boys to keep it open (fair enough) but also didn't want to splash out/find space for separate toilets for the girls. So they saved money and called it progressive

Cailin66 · 06/02/2022 10:34

Says in the article there are also single sex toilets.

Oddly it says tampons in the shared toilets are good for the boys.

KittyLeMew · 06/02/2022 10:35

Christ I can’t think of anything worst as a first year girl as having to share my toilets with 16 and 17 year old boys. Are they unaware of the recent stats around rapes in schools? But sure sure conflate this all with co ed schools, wheel in an actual child to give some quotes and yay progressive...

The media should be ashamed of itself pushing this narrative.

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 06/02/2022 10:41

My DH nudged me this morning to read this headline - knowing how I feel about it. But I'm happy to read there are still single sex toilets. All is not lost, yet.

Newbabynewhouse · 06/02/2022 10:44

Oh dear..the tampons will be good for the boys will they 🙄

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/02/2022 10:50

They seem awfully proud of using the girls periods as a teaching tool fir thr boys.

The girls are there to learn mate. Not be props in progressive teaching to boys

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/02/2022 11:01

Also appears to be another incidence if the kids being responsible fir their own safeguarding.

What could go wrong

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/02/2022 11:02

The tampons in the gender neutral loos fi smack a bit of basically providing an incentive to use them.

Unless I missed the part where they are I single sex loos as well?

If its so great and the kids live it why do hku need to use period poverty as leverage to get girls using them?

DaisyWaldron · 06/02/2022 11:05

DS and his (female) friend, both strongly prefer the mixed sex toilets. He is often mistaken for a girl, she is often mistaken for a boy and both get stares and questions when using the single sex loos.

DialSquare · 06/02/2022 11:07

How many times can you get progressive in to one article.

All my schools were mixed and if we had had shared toilets back then, one of the lesser issues would been seeing tampons all over the place had the boys been given access to them.

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/02/2022 11:09

So because a school cant teach the children that girls can wear trousers and have short hair etc the answer is to provide less safguarding to the children who don't comform to gender?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 06/02/2022 11:28

@Whatwouldscullydo

They seem awfully proud of using the girls periods as a teaching tool fir thr boys.

The girls are there to learn mate. Not be props in progressive teaching to boys

I'm so tired of women and girls constantly being viewed through the lens of walk-on parts and supporting roles for the central figures and real people who have lives.
Ceramide · 06/02/2022 11:35

tampons in the shared toilets are good for the boys

Angry I predict there will be some boys who will hack the machine and use them as water bombs, leaving none for the girls.

SolasAnla · 06/02/2022 12:29

Note the use of words to convay the dual "subtle" message that mixed sex gender schools are "progressively modern" plus Catholic schools providing education is "bad" thats so on message for the "Progressive Ireland" branding

gender-neutral toilets, and in a Christian Brothers school no less.

different picture at single-sex schools nearby

Ivy and her parents are not religious, but the fact that Coláiste Éamann Rís is a Catholic school "wasn’t a huge issue", Sam said.

"It just had that sort of hands-on progressive feel to it. We liked the fact that it had recently changed from single-sex to mixed. That was a big leap to take."

Ivy reckons a girls-only school "would get a bit boring. I get along with both genders".

And this little gem
Is it ignoring that where parents have a choice of a local mixed sex school or no school they pick a mixed sex school. But where parents have a choice some still pick a single sex school.

While the majority of schools in towns and rural areas are now mixed, in these settled urban areas the old style single-sex religious run schools still prevail - the old Christian Brother, Loreto, Mercy and Presentation schools that this generation of teenagers’ parents, grandparents and great-grandparents attended.

The school is being given additional funding allocated as it is providing educational support in an economically deprived area and/or its providing support for children from other countries who may not have had the educational opportunities Irish children have. One thing that most "non-nationals" have in common is the drive to see their children obtain the best education they can. (Parents have suffered the economic effects of not having recognised qualifications.) That and the engagement displayed by the teaching staff would make the school very attractive option.

ScribblingPixie · 06/02/2022 12:51

I had to use mixed sex toilets at my university accommodation. This was decades ago so very 'progressive'. Always embarrassing and occasionally frightening. I avoided them whenever possible (as did others) and developed lingering health problems as a result. I'd never agree they're positive without single-sex alternatives.

SolasAnla · 06/02/2022 13:07

@KittyLeMew

Christ I can’t think of anything worst as a first year girl as having to share my toilets with 16 and 17 year old boys. Are they unaware of the recent stats around rapes in schools? But sure sure conflate this all with co ed schools, wheel in an actual child to give some quotes and yay progressive...

The media should be ashamed of itself pushing this narrative.

In defence of the school most Irish school segregate the school classrooms and toilet blocks by year, so "only" children of the same age should be in one toilet block area. But I would hope that the mixed sex toilets are single use otherwise the school risk a safeguarding failure. Anyway Sam must have been a very nice non-hormonal teen🤷🏼‍♀️

Also Irelands children's and sexual assault legislation prohibits naming that type assault, neither victim or perpetrator could be identified.

In the case of a sexual assault in a school there would be no details supplied which could lead to the identifications, so if a sexual assault occured in a school its unlikely that it would be reported on by the media.

Below is a report on the process one woman went through to be able to speak publically about her attacker.

www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/my-name-is-aisling-woman-wins-battle-to-name-man-who-raped-her-when-she-was-a-child-1.4651980

Abhannmor · 06/02/2022 18:59

Most community schools are mixes sex , why is it such a big deal ? The shared toilets will likely end up boys only in the same way youth clubs end up as a space for 16 year old boys to play pool and smoke until they can get served in a pub. Younger boys and most girls get fed up and drift away.

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