At last, some half-honest reporting

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10472547/Trans-rapist-25-groomed-13-year-old-girl-jailed-100-months.html

Joshua Bate, who identifies as female...

The Ministry of Justice confirmed to MailOnline that Bate would be sent to a male prison in the first instance but can request a transfer to a female facility.

Still using misleading pronouns but it's a start.

Bate, 25, had been out of prison only a few days after serving a seven year prison sentence for rape
I often wonder what would happen if judges and parole boards were held liable for any reoffending. I suspect that we'd need a flotilla of prison ships for extra capacity.

According to a statement, a spokesman said: 'Any request to move to another prison is subject to robust risk assessment.

I'd like to save the state some money so I've already done the risk assessment for them:

25 years and already convicted of rape, sexual assault and inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.
Has re-offended soon after being released from prison on license
All victims female
Considered sufficient risk to warrant a lifetime sexual harm prevention order and a lifetime restraining order in addition to being placed on the sexual offenders registers for life.

This individual is a serial sex offender their behaviour suggests they re-offend whenever they have the opportunity. They should NEVER be allowed access to potential victims. A move to the female prison estate would be a gross act of negligence and put female prisoners at risk.

“'A High Court ruling in July 2021 reflected that the way we manage transgender offenders strikes the right balance between protecting their legal rights and ensuring the safety of all prisoners.“

And why do women prisoners not have legal rights?

When did it become a right for male people to have access to female people, regardless of the consent of those females?

Which bit of the human rights act is that in?

Hmmm. "A specialist case board made up of prison managers and experts will then review prison transfer requests"

I wonder what these expertise these so called "experts" have? I can guarantee that safeguarding women / protecting women's mental health is unlikely to be one of their qualifications.

Perhaps the prison managers and experts are 1. all men 2. closely affiliated to SW 3. New wave feminists. He should be moved to the female estate shortly

I wonder if that story will be able to stand in its present form.

"A specialist case board made up of prison managers and experts will then review prison transfer requests"

Let us never forget the contempt that psychiatrist Barrett displayed to women before having his own damascene conversion on the matter of the wisdom of allowing violent offenders claiming special status into women's prisons. From:

2009 in re: Karen Jones and why a transfer to the female estate should be made and the objections of the women there disregarded.

there will probably always be a small number of prisoners who will choose to make an issue of the matter because they are the sort of women who enjoy conflict.

2015: expert statement submitted to Maria Miller for the relevant enquiry.

The converse is the ever-increasing tide of referrals of patients in prison serving long or indeterminate sentences for serious sexual offences. These vastly outnumber the number of prisoners incarcerated for more ordinary, non-sexual, offences. It has been rather naïvely suggested that nobody would seek to pretend transsexual status in prison if this were not actually the case. There are, to those of us who actually interview the prisoners, in fact very many reasons why people might pretend this. These vary from the opportunity to have trips out of prison through to a desire for a transfer to the female estate (to the same prison as a co-defendant) through to the idea that a parole board will perceive somebody who is female as being less dangerous through to a [false] belief that hormone treatment will actually render one less dangerous through to wanting a special or protected status within the prison system and even (in one very well evidenced case that a highly concerned Prison Governor brought particularly to my attention) a plethora of prison intelligence information suggesting that the driving force was a desire to make subsequent sexual offending very much easier, females being generally perceived as low risk in this regard. I am sure that the Governor concerned would be happy to talk about this.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3531873-Searching-for-expert-statement-re-male-prisoners-seeking-transition

There’s also the question of why he was out at all.

He was sentenced to 7 years in June 2015 for rape. He was released from prison and while still on licence sexually assaulted a girl on a bus in May 2020. Then he’s released from prison again at the end of 2021, which means he served less than 20 months of prison time for a sexual assault of a child committed whilst on license for rape. Why the hell was that sentence so light? He was clearly a danger to women and the courts failed to protect us (again).

Under current Ministry of Justice guidelines, Bate would be sent to a male prison in the first instance but can request a transfer to a female facility.

She had been remanded in custody at HMP Durham, a category B prison for male inmates, following her arrest in January.

According to guidance used by prison authorities: 'Any request to move to another prison is subject to robust risk assessment.

'We updated our policies in 2019 and strengthened safeguards by introducing new training for prison staff, improving the risk assessment process and requiring every prison to have a dedicated senior officer responsible for transgender offenders.

'A High Court ruling in July 2021 reflected that the way we manage transgender offenders strikes the right balance between protecting their legal rights and ensuring the safety of all prisoners.

'A specialist case board made up of prison managers and experts will then review prison transfer requests – this would carefully assess for example the risk of keeping an prisoner in a male prison as well as the risk they could pose to prisoners in a female prison.'

This is where they are going wrong. You don’t need training or a panel of experts to decide that a male rapist shouldn’t be put in with women. It should be an automatic no in cases of sexual assault or rape.

It should be an automatic no in all cases.

It should be an automatic no in all cases

I agree. But that is not the current situation and the idea that they are putting a panel of experts together to consider whether a rapist or a convicted sexual predator should be in the female estate just blows my mind. What can they possibly be considering at that point? Why isn’t it an automatic no? On what circumstance could they ever come to a different decision?

It is a compounding abuse of women to decide that male criminals can be put in women’s prisons

I suspect that some of these alleged "experts" will be some very self invested individuals from some very self interested organisations. I doubt their 'professional" qualifications would be anything relevant to women and the justice system, more likely to be in the "queer theory" line of beliefs.

Ladies -- there is a brilliant book by Dr. Sharon Moalem called 'The Better Half' about women's genetic advantages over males and how our supercharged immunity can backfire with autoimmunity .. but we apparently see 100M colours while males see around 1M .. just all the evidences based profound differences between the sexes ... very interesting read .. sex definitely definitely matters in medicine x

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It should be an automatic no in all cases

I agree. But that is not the current situation and the idea that they are putting a panel of experts together to consider whether a rapist or a convicted sexual predator should be in the female estate just blows my mind. What can they possibly be considering at that point? Why isn’t it an automatic no? On what circumstance could they ever come to a different decision?

It is sick.

Not only are women prisoners not automatically entitled to their human rights of safety and dignity, but in order for their safety and dignity to even be considered, they have to pay. Women have to pay not to be assaulted by some of us being assaulted in the first place.

Re the prisons atrocity ... it's almost like state sanctioned abuse of women .... anyone can say they're anything .. what if the rapist identifies as innocent in the court room .. why is that any less valid .. it would be comical if it wasn't so tragic for the innocent female victims involved .. sociopaths will say and do whatever they need to .. it's just one huge circular argument of cognitive dissonant nonsense .. how the yell did we get here? .. the conflation of sex and gender probably is no accident .. feels like a war on women & children by entitled males tbh

Can I ask what happens to a male rapist (ie a man who rapes other men) in prison I'm wondering if there is a precedent that they are hanging there hat on here?

what if the rapist identifies as innocent in the court room .. why is that any less valid

Quite.