The trend to transition peaking in teens for girls but older for men

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I think it’s fairly well established that if you drew a graph with number of transitioning people on Y and age on X you’d see peaks in adolescence for girls and middle age for men.

Might the simplest explanation be that puberty is a shock/big deal/massive change for girls - especially with perils, etc - more it is for boys On average, nabalt, etc). They want to opt out

Whereas for men that shock (etc) seems to come later and be connected to fatherhood?

Just a simple thought. But it’s amazing how much more easily you can think about it and sympathise if you start from what sex people actually are.....

Periods not perils.

Unfortunately we aren't allowed to discuss things like this. We have to pretend that it's exactly the same thing for the middle aged males and the pre teen nd teenage females. Discussion around motives for these two separate separate every different groups ends up deleted

Girls during puberty
Men during mid life crisis...

Very obvious to me! How often do you see a 50 yr old woman transitioning?

I wonder if anyone has ever FOI’d a sample of the adult GIDS clinics to see age trends in the same way that the Tavi have produced their figures by age.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Unfortunately we aren't allowed to discuss things like this. We have to pretend that it's exactly the same thing for the middle aged males and the pre teen nd teenage females. Discussion around motives for these two separate separate every different groups ends up deleted

Yup, we're censored from discussing the real reasons behind this stark contrast between the sexes because male sexed people don't like female sexed people examining their motives. Same old.

I get the bit about puberty being hard for girls. Wanting to keep your slender pre-puberty body could feel very like wishing you were a boy. I find mid-life men wanting to transition harder to understand tbh, though I know two of these fairly well. One had never been happy with anything in his life and probably never will. The other seemed to me to be happy and settled though he says he wasn't. He's not happy now though and won't come out any more as he says he ("she") gets grief for being trans. Doesn't have the physique to ever "pass" IME. Wasn't related to fatherhood in either case - one has teenage children her never sees and the other an ok relationship with a 21 year old, plus two little ones with current partner. I think it must be more about never being happy in themselves and feeling that being trans is an option when it wasn't before.

Whereas for men that shock (etc) seems to come later and be connected to fatherhood?
No.
But we aren’t allowed to discuss what the reason might be here without risking a ban.

Presumably the anticipated ban, etc is because of discussing certain patterns of sexuality, etc?

To be honest I think we can make useful progress even without going into all that so it doesn’t bother me.

I get the bit about puberty being hard for girls. Wanting to keep your slender pre-puberty body could feel very like wishing you were a boy

It don't help we keep putting girls into awkward situations around it all. Parents who cant admit their child is growing up and needs all the items that entails. We seem to have a problem.with certain styles of bras placing adult connotations on them. Un able to differentiate from.a heavily padded wonderbra and one that just has a little bit of lining or moulding. You cab have a bra but only when I say you can have a bra and only the type of bra I pick etc

We don't give girls space to be taught about their bodies on their own . Girls now have to have that talk alongside boys. Girls are treated as basically an experiment to improve boys knowledge by learning along side the girls and the girls now don't have a single sex session to ask the questions they would like.

We don't provide then a space to charge separately from the boys in primary school.

We maybe even force them in some.schopls to segregate themselves by using the accessible toilet rather than setting up the regular toilets to accommodate biological.needs.

Sometimes even forcing them.into shared toilets with boys.

We make it hard fir them..on purpose.

@rogdmum

I wonder if anyone has ever FOI’d a sample of the adult GIDS clinics to see age trends in the same way that the Tavi have produced their figures by age.

I've had a quick look at the FOI log here:

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/contact-us/freedom-of-information/foi-disclosure-log/

In this FOI asking for numbers of referrals they have declined to supply age and 'original gender' of patients at the adult GIC.

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/documents/1688/FOI_19-20141_GIDS__GIC_Referrals_2014-15_to_2018-19.pdf

There may be other FOIs where they have given this info if you have the time to trawl through the log.

I find mid-life men wanting to transition harder to understand tbh, though I know two of these fairly well.

I think a lot of the women who frequent this board have a pretty good idea about the reasons for this. They've just learned that you're not really allowed to talk about it.

The "Magnus Hirschfeld" thread has some historical information of this thing we can't name.

The other trend I'd like to see mapped is that of boys who transition to full fanfare very young.
Most of the "trans mums" cheerleading the movement seem to have gender non-conforming boys who then 'come out' aged 2-6 or even younger.
They seem to follow the same pattern: playing with dolls or 'girl' toys, not being rough and trouble, the mother thinks they might be gay, father has difficulty accepting that possibility and then suddenly it turns out that the gnc boy is 'actually a girl' and the whole family celebrates.
Off the top of my head, I can think of at least seven children who have been pushed into the public eye under this exact scenario.
There doesn't seem to be the same pattern the other way around.

*rough and tumble - autocorrect

We know.
They know we know.
That's why they won't allow us to discuss it.

The middle-aged men transitioning are AGP. They've had all the success they need (like successful career, family, good position in society due to their sex), and now (particularly with the current climate) have given in to their sexual desires.

I get very suspicious when people talk about themselves in third person, and I question whether for a lot of them it is also about leaving their life behind and escaping some emotional trauma etc.

I think it's something that's ubiquitous in modern life on people's phones.
Young girls want out.
Middle age men want in.

I saw an interesting tweet by a trans person on twitter today. Looks like they can say something we can't.

Wow, that went fast. Apparently ''acceptance without exception'' means just that.

I am deeply cynical now.

George Orwell very astutely observed how young females can be manipulated into foot soldiers for revolution. I would be fascinated to see who was behind the Tumblr accounts promoting gender ideology in 2012/13.

I have read some interesting observations about the progression of the three letter motivation we are not allowed to speak of. The "high" obtained from participation in this hobby demands ever increasing "commitment" to have the same effect, which may explain later transitioners.

The young female transitioners are just there to conceal a men's rights movement. I have seen increasing referencing to females having an equivalent three letter motivation despite there being very few documented cases to support the idea. This is another act of deception.

The thing we need to watch is safeguarding, I believe that is the final target.

I hope this isn't too cryptic to be understood.

Wow, someone's on the ball!

Got you, FOJN, I have my glossary hear beside me.

I understand you perfectly well FOJN.
The thing we need to watch is safeguarding, I believe that is the final target.
Definitely. It's already happening.

I hope this isn't too cryptic to be understood
Tbh I worried it wasn’t cryptic enough to avoid censorship.
The thing we need to watch is safeguarding, I believe that is the final target
I think this is absolutely correct. And we’ll be labelled hysterical bigots until it’s too late to stop it.