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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Planned Parenthood providing materials for Norwegian school children

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TheCurrywurstPrion · 29/01/2022 14:58

twitter.com/kerijagra/status/1487119374888624135?s=21

Translation of the tweet, courtesy of Google Translate:

“Teaching plan for week 6. This is aimed at students in primary school 1st-7th grade. Why in the world is there a picture of a woman who has had a masectomy? Is this something we should normalize for children who barely know what "having sex" is?”

I hadn’t realised Planned Parenthood had such global reach. I don’t think there’s anything particularly controversial in the wording, but why put an image of a mastectomised woman on there, other than to normalise female to male transitioning for very young children.

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TooTiredForAdventure · 29/01/2022 15:02

I feel the woman at the top has very masculine muscles.

I don’t know what to say anymore.

SamphiretheStickerist · 29/01/2022 15:06

I know. I'm left with a head shake and "I dunno"

It's just ludicrous. Unnecessary and ludicrous.

The must be an agenda behind it, why else bother?

Mendingfences · 29/01/2022 15:15

Interestingly the new government is a coalition which includes the party formerly known as the farmers party. Turns out the farmers are quite big on biology and see no need for a third legal gender ... who'd ve thunk it, farmers have an understanding of (biological) sex and reproduction....

TheCurrywurstPrion · 29/01/2022 15:29

@Mendingfences

Interestingly the new government is a coalition which includes the party formerly known as the farmers party. Turns out the farmers are quite big on biology and see no need for a third legal gender ... who'd ve thunk it, farmers have an understanding of (biological) sex and reproduction....
Now that IS an interesting development.
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SevenWaystoLeave · 29/01/2022 15:33

For anyone who is interested, the text on the poster reads:

"Sexual rights are human rights

Everyone has the right to freedom, personal security and bodily integrity, to decide if you want to get married and to decide if and when to have a baby.

Equality means equal access to:

legal protection and freedom from all forms of discrimination based on sex or sexuality

Freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and freedom of association and participation regardless of sex or sexuality

Personal autonomy and legal recognition

Health services and benefits from scientifix research

Education and information

Accountability and redress

Privacy"

For context, the same word in Norwegian means both sex and gender

Delphinium20 · 29/01/2022 17:10

In English, Planned Parenthood produces the Amaze sex education curriculum. For 10 year old girls it claimed that if you don't like your breasts, you can get plastic surgery and that some girls won't grow breasts.

For a section on the 10 year old boys video it says, "it's normal to look at porn." Same section for the girls video does not address porn but instead says, "it's normal to have a crush."

FannyCann · 29/01/2022 17:20

Always good to hear from USA and get the low down. Thanks @Delphinium20

I had always thought planned parenthood was the USA equivalent of family planning clinics, aimed at people without insurance but I assume those days are long long ago. It's a mystery why they felt a need to jump on the bandwagon supplying puberty blockers etc as surely there would be enough business in contraception/abortion services to keep them busy.

Anyway I realise they have long since been totally captured. I also had no idea they had a global reach.

FannyCann · 29/01/2022 17:22

Also interesting to hear the farmers party in Norway are becoming more influential (not that I'd ever heard about them before).
Wasn't it Norway that recently convicted a man of misgendering someone? I think there will be plenty of work for the farmers to unravel recent legislation.

FannyCann · 29/01/2022 17:24

Here it is:

4w.pub/man-convicted-for-misgendering-trans-identified-male/amp/

FannyCann · 29/01/2022 17:38

Also a link from the tweet thread, shocking evidence of the going's on in PP clinics (nothing to do with abortions).

abigailshrier.substack.com/p/inside-planned-parenthoods-gender

TheCurrywurstPrion · 30/01/2022 11:17

Thanks for the translation, SevenWays. I wonder if there’s more material that is equivalent to the English version Delphinium described.

Thanks for the link FannyCann. A bit torn about the “misgendering” charge. The man did a lot more than just misgendering.

I’d appreciate other thoughts and opinions. I feel that, compared with what women in the UK have been arrested for, what he said was very unpleasant. That said, it was a Facebook row. I’d be interested to know if insults were flying from either side. Insults said in the heat of the moment usually reflect the most hurtful things you can think of, rather than the balanced view you might give when not in that situation.

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SusannaQueen · 30/01/2022 17:37

Bit shocked about PP, I always thought they were an excellent organisation, providing access to abortion, birth control and female health checks for low income women.

FrancescaContini · 30/01/2022 17:39

@Delphinium20

In English, Planned Parenthood produces the Amaze sex education curriculum. For 10 year old girls it claimed that if you don't like your breasts, you can get plastic surgery and that some girls won't grow breasts.

For a section on the 10 year old boys video it says, "it's normal to look at porn." Same section for the girls video does not address porn but instead says, "it's normal to have a crush."

JFC AngryAngry
Ohnohedident · 30/01/2022 17:47

[quote FannyCann]Here it is:

4w.pub/man-convicted-for-misgendering-trans-identified-male/amp/[/quote]
That is chilling indeed. The guy was rude but it was in the context of an argument so presumerbly the TW was also throwing insults around.

Delphinium20 · 30/01/2022 18:03

I worry about any speech being a crime. Inciting violence should have a very high bar to be considered criminal. If a person in anger says, "I hope you die. I want to kill you," I can't see why this should be a crime unless it includes planning, stalking and premeditation. Maybe mental health intervention, but not police.

We'd all be in jail if TRAs had their way. I disagree with hate speech laws because it must always depend on a definition of those determining the laws and that's working out pretty poorly for women these days, especially in places like Scotland.

Delphinium20 · 30/01/2022 18:06

@SusannaQueen

Bit shocked about PP, I always thought they were an excellent organisation, providing access to abortion, birth control and female health checks for low income women.
I have donated to and been a massive fan of PP most of my life. It's only recently changed by opening up "trans care" which involves hormone prescriptions and by redefining language to be "pregnant people" and producing sex education that is based on some questionable philosophies.
Delphinium20 · 30/01/2022 18:12

@FannyCann

Always good to hear from USA and get the low down. Thanks *@Delphinium20*

I had always thought planned parenthood was the USA equivalent of family planning clinics, aimed at people without insurance but I assume those days are long long ago. It's a mystery why they felt a need to jump on the bandwagon supplying puberty blockers etc as surely there would be enough business in contraception/abortion services to keep them busy.

Anyway I realise they have long since been totally captured. I also had no idea they had a global reach.

I imagine they saw an economic opportunity in trans medicine especially because many PP clinics have been shut down as stated restrict abortion access. Why they chose gender medicine as a new stream of revenue vs vaccinations or cancer care, is a source of sadness to me. They really used to be pro-woman.
Delphinium20 · 30/01/2022 18:13

*as states

TheCurrywurstPrion · 30/01/2022 18:51

I worry about any speech being a crime. Inciting violence should have a very high bar to be considered criminal. If a person in anger says, "I hope you die. I want to kill you," I can't see why this should be a crime unless it includes planning, stalking and premeditation. Maybe mental health intervention, but not police.

Thank you Delphinium, for commenting. I agree with what you say. He didn’t say anything inciting violence. He was rude during a Facebook argument. A prison sentence and a fine for that is ludicrous.

That’s part of the problem when there’s any suggestion that “misgendering” in itself is considered to be a crime. I looked at what was said and thought it a lot worse than straightforward misgendering, but nobody should have a criminal record for having a row on Facebook, or indeed any other insult or name-calling without evidence of something most rational people would consider actually criminal (something physical, or genuinely threatening or fraudulent) being instigated.

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