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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Debbie Hayton: Council of Europe: LGBT 'hate' /omits sex

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Abitofalark · 27/01/2022 13:46

Article by Debbie in UnHerd about

  1. the Council of Europe resolution on 'rising hate' against LGBT people, listing the UK among the five worst members, along with Russia, Turkey, Hungary and Poland, despite evidence of the UK ranking highly as good rather bad in relation to LGBT. (She notes the usual conflation of LGB and T.)

  2. omitting the category 'sex' from the resolution wording, and the UK delegates to the CoE failing to get amendments to the resolution passed; Tonia Antoniazzi and Lord Blencathra leading.

This resolution is being shepherded by a Belgian, Ben Chikha whom we've heard about before and appears to be deaf to reason or a sense of proportion or actuality, in characterising the UK in the same bracket, as if we are a nation with of anti- LGBT attackers and bigots.

On the wording used:

"Deplorably, sex was not even mentioned in respect to refuge shelters. Victims, the CoE ruled, must be protected against “re-traumatisation on the grounds of their sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression or sex characteristics” — but not their sex."

'A whole paragraph was devoted to stamping out what its author perceived to be the “highly prejudicial anti-gender, gender-critical and anti-trans narratives which reduce the fight for the equality of LGBTI people to what these movements deliberately mis-characterise as ‘gender ideology’ or ‘LGBTI ideology’”.'

The resolution also advocates withdrawal of funding from bodies which deny LGBT rights.
unherd.com/2022/01/stop-pretending-the-uk-is-transphobic/

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Thelnebriati · 27/01/2022 14:07

Didn't Debbie Hayton help draft advice for schools that removed girls right to single sex toilets and changing?

Abitofalark · 27/01/2022 18:35

I'm not familiar with guidelines for schools or who drafted them.

If you know more, a separate thread might be useful, so as not to take this one off the topic of the Council of Europe.

(My own opinion is that provision of single sex toilets and other facilities for girls in school is very important and parents - as well as others, such as politicians, teachers and other interested parties should insist upon it.)

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Pluvia · 27/01/2022 21:23

Yes, as I understand it Debbie Hayton did draft guidelines denying girls the right to single-sex loos and changing facilities.

Since attempting to get sex recognised by the Council of Europe, Tonia Antoniazzi has been on the receiving end of attacks from, among others, Lu Thomas — the architect of the shambolic Welsh Government LGBT+ Action Plan that was a total trans manifesto and only mentioned lesbians twice. Lu's completely embedded with Stonewall. It's a matter of embarrassment and perplexity to many of us in Wales that she seems to have the ear of so many of the great and good in the Welsh government. She's a furiously spluttering fountain of hatred, most of it directed at lesbians and women on the left. Goodness knows what hold she has over Drakeford and Hutt. Here's Lu's pinned Tweet to get you started:

twitter.com/LuThomas80/status/1448202184135483396

OhHolyJesus · 27/01/2022 21:48

Debbie has still not distanced themselves from those guidelines so whilst this article may makes total sense, it is somewhat undermined but Debbie's earlier writing.

Debbie will be along shortly to explain I'm sure.

MiladyBerserko · 27/01/2022 21:50

No thank you

Feministwoman · 27/01/2022 21:53

@Thelnebriati

Didn't Debbie Hayton help draft advice for schools that removed girls right to single sex toilets and changing?
Why yes, I believe Debbie Hayton did.
NitroNine · 27/01/2022 22:21

Council of Europe using tactic of dragging people with DSDs into things I see: utterly abhorrent behaviour.

SantaClawsServiette · 28/01/2022 01:55

There is something very odd going on with this Council of Europe stuff and I think it's something to keep an eye on. There is a kind of weird source of power there coming from people who is it very hard to pin down and who really have no direct mandate or accountability.

Rather like with Stonewall, you have to wonder where the real impetus, and money, is coming from.

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