MumsNet Purchasing Survey. Ugh.

[MidCenturyClegs]

Thought I'd support this platform by answering a survey but couldn't get this. Why conflate sex and gender? Both entirely different things? If you're a transwoman you're also Male yet you can't select 2 things?

www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/ZBDMVQS

To be honest, I'd prefer to see that than any of the usual bollocks. No mention of gender as an overriding category, but offered as an alternative. Fine by me.

What would you rather it said?

Me? I'd just have
Female
Male
Other
Prefer not to say

And even that rankles.

Could try posting feedback on Site Stuff?

If you're a transwoman you're also Male yet you can't select 2 things?

Why would any transwoman want to? Some would be more likely to select Female!

@SamphiretheStickerist

To be honest, I'd prefer to see that than any of the usual bollocks. No mention of gender as an overriding category, but offered as an alternative. Fine by me.

What would you rather it said?

Me? I'd just have
Female
Male
Other
Prefer not to say

And even that rankles.

I'd have rather it have been 2 questions:

Sex:
Male
Female
Prefer Not To Say

Gender Identity:
None
Transwoman
Transman
Non-Binary
... (and the other 100 identities)

Then you tick the LGBTQ+ boxes whilst also recognising that most on this site (being Mums and all that) are female and don't have a gender identity.

twitter.com/zeno001/status/1485958895721979907

I get that. But it is still better than the ones that start with

Gender
Male
Female
etc

I would also prefer MNHQ had chosen not to bow down to the idiocy, but, as we are always being reminded, they are a business, blah blah, advertising monies, blah blah.

I am trying to work out how your two questions would work, especially if you made the first compulsory - which you have to in order to be able to collect the data as per conventional, meaningful, sex differentiated data collection etc.

Most trans people would object to that. And round and round we would go.

Such is the situation we are reduced to because of the idiocy of gender ideology plus the aggressions of TRAs.

Yes - come on @MNHQ, get with the programme.

Unless its absolutely relevant - why ask sex anyway? And are your advertisers really asking for our feelings?

I'd love to see what the 'other' box yields.

Have you reported this to MNHQ? Or posted it on Site Stuff? Otherwise they probably won't see it.

I don’t have a massive issue with it. No need to choose between male and trans woman - anyone who chooses trans woman will presumably be added to the male category when analysing results.

I would like the 2 separate questions because I could then give an honest answer. Honesty and integrity is important to me.

If a trans person chooses to answer the sex question dishonestly that's their business. I also don't believe all trans people would be dishonest. Plenty know what their biological sex is and have no reason to pretend otherwise.

Conflating gender and sex (are you male, female, transwomen, transman, non binary etc) is problematic. If I choose female, it is an identity (cis woman) I've selected, rather than factually having described my reality. I'm not cis. I fear this information is then used against me and all women as proof of our acceptance of gender theory.

It is yet another boundary over stepped by those with power. And it matters, in the same way cat calling still matters in the fight against misogyny. A small thing yes, but puts me in my place, and supports the system which keeps women dehumanised and subservient.

Totally agree @PaleGreenGhost

Survey data collected for marketing reasons need to have accurate information - like the census - to enable the production of goods and services for different demographics. Ie would a transwoman who clicks female be someone who'd buy period pants based on MumsNet reviews.
Obviously it's up to MumsNet how they structure their surveys but they can't expect their sponsors to take the data they're collecting with this survey seriously.

Most surveys ask for age and sex data at the start of the questions. The way they get you to invest in answering so many questions before rolling out the gender bollox was very annoying and made me unwilling to put any further effort into my replies, so I ticked prefer not to say afterwards wherever it was an option. Feckem.

What's the problem with it? If Mumsnet want to collect information on whether some users id as trans, why shouldn't they? There's nothing stopping you checking the female box, are you literally just complaining because there's also some other boxes that don't apply to you?

I've commented on this many times, including MNHQ in the comments, but to no avail. I have come to the conclusion that the question is there in order to filter out respondents who are out of touch with reality.

@JellySaurus

I've commented on this many times, including MNHQ in the comments, but to no avail. I have come to the conclusion that the question is there in order to filter out respondents who are out of touch with reality.

Or maybe it was to discourage over zealous-GCs from taking part?

It's actually pretty useful to know that if you don't want a bunch of transphobes brigading your survey, all you need to do is put a gender question first and they'll all fuck off.

I think there should always be two questions.
What is your sex (as stated on your birth certificate)? Female, male, prefer not to say

Do you have a gender identity? Yes/no

If yes;
Non-binary
Transman
Transwoman
Prefer not to say
Other: specify

I hate the assumption that I have a gender identity.

I filled in that a few days ago and on seeing that bit thought '' oh dear, I can already hear some heads exploding from here ''
Seriously, though, what's the problem?!
It has male, female, and boxes for trans identities too.
If you're not trans, you tick the male or female box, surely.
It usually goes on here '' I'm a woman! Why can't I just put that, why put gender rubbish?! ''
You get boxes solely for female or male, and people STILL aren't happy.
Does come across as taking the hump just because trans people are included too.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

I filled in that a few days ago and on seeing that bit thought '' oh dear, I can already hear some heads exploding from here '' Seriously, though, what's the problem?! It has male, female, and boxes for trans identities too. If you're not trans, you tick the male or female box, surely. It usually goes on here '' I'm a woman! Why can't I just put that, why put gender rubbish?! '' You get boxes solely for female or male, and people STILL aren't happy. Does come across as taking the hump just because trans people are included too.

It's a poorly structured survey. Surveys like this rely on demographic data to improve their marketing practice. I imagine would be quite annoying to MumsNet to have take all the transwomen results and push them in to the Male category. But I expect they're being kind. Would make their lives a lot simpler though if they had 2 questions? Lumping sex and gender identity together is no different to lumping together race and sexuality.

By your logic then you don’t need two options:
If you're a transwoman you're also Male yet you can't select 2 things?
If you click trans women then there’s no need to also click male. The definition of trans women is that the person was ‘assigned male at birth’. ‘Male’ comes part and parcel of the chosen descriptor.