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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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EDIJester · 21/01/2022 11:18

I have come here from Twitter, and am hoping to discuss the idea of deprogramming for young people in regards Critical Social Justice part of which is queer theory and gender ideology.

This task is now my actual job and am already in discussion with parents and folks in the USA

Am I on the right forum?

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AgeOfReason99 · 21/01/2022 22:07

@EDIJester I am overwhelmed with material for parents. But it is very hard to find anything to suggest for the child victims (including adult children) to watch. Every source is going to be scrutinised to see if it is "transphobic". And how to get through to the brainwashed? I feel this will take a very slow build up of information to sow doubt.

When they have watched thousands of hours of trans-recruitment material, it is hard to think an hour of something to counter it will have much effect unless they have independently come to a point of readiness to accept something different.

EDIJester · 21/01/2022 22:46

I have an idea. I am. going to organise a zoom call

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allmywhat · 22/01/2022 05:54

Do you have materials for young people on protecting yourself from online predators, groomers, cults, abusive relationships, coercive control, etc? Critical thinking is important but learning how to recognise when you’re being manipulated is a different skillset. And like critical thinking, it is a really important life skill that anyone can benefit from, that has particular relevance to this issue.

And as others have mentioned emotional resilience could also be an important component of something like this. Jonathan Haidt wrote about CBT as a possible antidote to the woke-kid mindset in The Coddling of the American Mind.

WarriorN · 22/01/2022 07:32

[quote Thirtytimesround]@OneEpisode - Four words that say so much! 😍

Op chat to TransgenderTrend, they’re very wise about all this.

www.transgendertrend.com/[/quote]

Also I'd contact Safe Schools Alliance U.K. on twitter. They have a website too.

There's also the Bayswater group who support parents of children who are gender questioning, but are about allowing time and space. They especially support with ROGD.

WarriorN · 22/01/2022 08:00

I do think critical thinking is a skill to be taught.

I learnt it via my history a level whereby we had to really analyse the theory of history, what is a fact? What is truth? And went into how there are schools of history who present "facts" in different ways to us. It was actually 50% methodology compared to some of my peers at other schools who did much less of it. I honestly think it was the most valuable a level I did. Next to alevel biology Grin

There's also a lot to be considered around how advertising works and influences us.

I found This book fascinating from the POV of how visual media, both advertising and programmes, could be shown to influence mental health states and affect rates of body image issues.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Affluenza-Oliver-James/dp/0091900115/ref=nodl_

The author noted that some are "immune" to "keeping up with the Jones's" but many are not; it is in our nature to want to feel part of society.

It's been a long time since I read it but I think I remember ideas around being able to become immune if you understand how it all works on human psychology as well as recognising why others are so keen to influence.

It was written before social media and so doesn't include any of that, but given that we now even have "influencers" as a recognised role for individuals in society, not even just ads on bill boards or tv any more, living people advertising how to be happy and cool, it's not difficult to see how the ideas he outlines translates to today.

So for children and young people, breaking down these ideas to a level they understand and supporting them to see how online content can manipulate could be useful.

A while ago there was a bbc report about how the rise of flat earthers was tied into a specific YouTube algorithm that was designed to show you more content that was similar to what you'd watched. So rabbit holes could be fallen into.

This was changed a few years ago to a different one that shows a mixture of different ideas after a film that you've watched.

The problem now though is things like tik tock and insta etc who don't have these algorithms.

So much of gender ideology has simply come from crap documentaries and then social media influence and influencers. And then obviously the queerists in universities. I taught a child who was simply gender non conforming (and autistic in an sen school) till older kids told him he had a woman trapped in his head after watching a documentary and he could have an operation when he was older to "fix" him. That was over a decade ago though.

(It's a fine line to get right. I'm watching an acquaintance fall into conspiracy theories and she now apparently doesn't take any info from anyone other than people she's met on telegram Hmm she bangs on about critical thinking and then posts a load of pictures apparently proving the existence of aliens in archeological finds. )

So a good recognition of primary and secondary sources, bias and truth/ facts, basic biology, is really important for young people to understand.

EDIJester · 24/01/2022 06:18

Thank you, yes we could certainly look at that as well, I have used Heidt as a resource and to guide thinking on this one.

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EDIJester · 24/01/2022 06:20

[quote AgeOfReason99]@EDIJester I am overwhelmed with material for parents. But it is very hard to find anything to suggest for the child victims (including adult children) to watch. Every source is going to be scrutinised to see if it is "transphobic". And how to get through to the brainwashed? I feel this will take a very slow build up of information to sow doubt.

When they have watched thousands of hours of trans-recruitment material, it is hard to think an hour of something to counter it will have much effect unless they have independently come to a point of readiness to accept something different.[/quote]
This is clearly the case, however, conversely I have found that it is its rigidity that can make it a fragile concept.

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EDIJester · 24/01/2022 06:22

@StillWeRise

www.sapere.org.uk/home.aspx OP, I think you should look at this it may not suit of you are after a 'one off' intervention but it is a proven methodology for improving critical thinking, as well as communication, listening, empathy and questioning
This is a very interesting take and a great addition to the conversation.

Thank you

Will examine further.

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Slothtoes · 24/01/2022 10:21

Be more Neville Longbottom? Smile

Slothtoes · 24/01/2022 10:22

Thank you for the links sharing on this thread, a lot to think about

Bosky · 24/01/2022 18:18

I stumbled across this service by chance wandering around the internet last year and thought it seemed a very interesting approach, some of which might be relevant.

Facts4Life is a multi-layered health resilience programme for primary and secondary schools

The main principals are:

  • Taking ownership of health
  • Exploring illness
  • Developing strategies for wellbeing

The training programme and accompanying resources are currently free to all Gloucestershire schools and will roll out more widely in the future.

facts4life.org/

Find out what Facts4Life offers

For teachers:
facts4life.org/what-facts4life-offers/for-teachers/

Facts4Life in the Curriculum

Facts4Life offers a programme for children in Early Years settings through to Year 6 in the primary curriculum and across Key Stage 3 in the secondary curriculum.

Early Years Curriculum:
Our Early Years pack contains a range of themed laminated cards that link to the Early Years goals and, in particular, support children’s personal, social and emotional development, building resilience. They can be used systematically or respond to ‘in the moment’ planning. Some of the cards link to our children’s book, This is Fin and Bear, but can be used independently. The pack also includes a Healthy Me Activities and Mindful Me Activities double-sided poster. In addition a number of songs are available on the website.

Primary Curriculum:
The lesson materials that we now offer are designed to be delivered on a cycle, so that ideas introduced in Reception are developed further in Years 1/2 and so on up the school. We include assembly materials so that the key ideas of Facts4Life can be underpinned and referenced across the whole school. Many schools have introduced the materials as a 6 week unit of work for one or two hours a week. Others have developed them further into a topic based approach that crosses the curriculum or included them in an intensive health week in Term 5 or 6. We also offer additional on-line materials focusing specifically upon Mental Health, as well as a framework and materials for the delivery of Relationships and Sex Education in the primary school.

To support schools with their implementation of the mandatory provision of Relationships, RSE and Health Education (DfE Statutory Guidance Sept 2020), we have created a Delivery Overview guide that details how our resources can be used to navigate a pathway through the requirements (click on the image below).

Secondary Curriculum:
The resource covers different aspects of health resilience and includes 9 modules with additional on-line materials focusing specifically upon support for Mental Health. The modules can be delivered flexibly within an hour’s PSHE lesson or within tutor time, either across a single year or within a cyclical PSHE curriculum across KS3. Themes include chance and choice, personal responsibility and recognition of the range of normality.

In both primary and secondary schools, our two Facts4Life Challenges: The Facts4Life Activity Challenge and the Facts4Life Wellbeing Challenge, offer the opportunity for children to identify an area of their own health and/or wellbeing that they wish to focus upon, to record their actions over a 30 day period and achieve a bronze, silver or gold award depending on their success in meeting the challenge. Either can be used as a vehicle to measure the impact on children’s behaviours as well as whole school change

Benefits to Schools
Facts4Life complements key elements of the Science and PSHE curriculum, and has clear links to PE and DT when considering healthy lifestyles. The central ideas within the resource normalise the occurrence of illness and help to create a climate for mental health issues to be addressed. It can be used to promote good attendance. Teachers tell us that it helps them to get to know their pupils better through creating a climate where it’s safe to discuss their feelings.

Facts4Life promotes coping strategies to manage risk and in this way facilitates an openness about safeguarding. The programme supports schools in the OFSTED judgement on Personal Development, Behaviour and Welfare through its emphasis on teaching children how to stay healthy.

Working with Community Family Workers and Family Support Workers
Our Healthy Families resources have been designed for use by CFWs and FSWs with families out of school, recognising that we have greater impact in building resilience when we are able to share our approach with the whole family. They include a suite of materials on themed activities such as encouraging good sleep and managing anxiety, as well as support for self-care and self-regulation. They are targeted at the early years age range as well as families with school aged children.

Facts4Life Training
We currently run regular training programmes for Teachers and Key Workers (including Community Family Workers & Family Support Workers) which include follow up support when requested. We also offer ‘whole school’ training on INSET Days or within twilight sessions upon request. Contact [email protected] for further information.

Training events are regularly advertised in publications such as HeadsUp and SENCOspot.

For parents and carers:

The Facts4Life Approach

Facts4Life teaching in schools responds to children’s interest in how their bodies work and what happens when they are unwell. The national curriculum in primary schools covers aspects of the various systems in the body, for example the digestive system in year 4 and the circulatory system in year 6 and develops this further in the secondary curriculum. This learning becomes exciting to children when we can make connections with their experience of their own health.

Riding the Up and Downs (of Health)

We offer resources and training to schools teaching children across the whole primary age range and across Key Stage 3 in secondary schools. We are also planning to develop materials for use with Key Stage 4. We find that all children are keen to find out about their own health experience which may include head lice, the common cold or other bacteria! This opens up a subject not traditionally discussed in schools and enables all to see that illness is quite normal. We operate along a continuum between good health and illness and often somewhere in between, but most of the time, most of us get better from illness without need for medical intervention. Children can understand the rebalancing process in the body (homeostasis) and how symptoms of illness are sometimes evidence of this e.g. fever killing a virus.

Smoothing the Path

From an understanding of the symptoms of an illness and how it’s treated, children come naturally to thinking about actions they can take to maximize their health. This might include healthy eating, physical exercise, rest and sleep. This takes away fear for young people and develops confidence in their ability to manage their health. The Facts4Life 30 Day Challenge encourages children to identify an area they wish to focus on regarding their health and to keep a record of their actions e.g. taking exercise rather than spending hours on the x-box! This more exploratory learning is a very different route to telling children what they should or shouldn’t be doing.

Physical and Mental Health

Facts4Life teaching does not separate physical health from mental health. We know that the two are closely interlinked. For example, when we are not enjoying good sleep or have a poor diet, this can affect our mental health. Likewise, we know that stress can cause symptoms of various physical illnesses. Facts4Life teaches children to understand their own needs and how to respond. This includes their emotional needs and any anxieties they may be harbouring. In the same way that it is normal to experience the ups and downs of physical illness, it is normal to feel worried, upset, angry and to learn how to manage this. We aim to create a climate in which children can confidently explore aspects of mental health in the same way that they might learn about diabetes, for example.

What do parents and teachers tell us?

We know that all families experience a range of illnesses over time. Parents have told us that the opportunity for their child to learn about something that is affecting the family can really support them. E.g the experience of dementia in a grand-parent
Teachers have said that the Facts4life curriculum enables then to get to know children better and to build effective partnerships with parents.

Parents are welcome to attend a Facts4Life training session for teachers if space allows.

For students
facts4life.org/what-facts4life-offers/for-students/

For health professionals
facts4life.org/what-facts4life-offers/for-health-professionals/

There is masses of other information on the website.
eg. facts4life.org/resources/

WarriorN · 25/01/2022 07:57

That's really useful to know of Bosky generally.

I think there's a level of health anxiety these days bred by the internet and seemingly tic tock, and possibly also Covid and this is a really useful all round way of tackling it. I can see it would also be very biologically based and so also supportive of Gd.

EDIJester · 02/02/2022 10:30

Thank you, this is an excellent resource for both me and anyone else.

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EDIJester · 02/02/2022 10:32

This is the specific arena I am working in.

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Barbarantia · 02/02/2022 15:23

after hearing the ex-head mod of r/antiwork state that they are aiming to teach "critical thinking", you may want to be clear on what you mean by those words.
I believe critical thinking meaning is shifting. it seems to now mean "be your authentic self" which is causing half these distortions if the "authentic self" is spending a majority of its time without other passions apart from online hobbies.

EDIJester · 15/02/2022 06:52

You are I think pointing out Critical Social Justice, which is the antithesis of critical thinking.

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moofolk · 27/08/2022 22:35

Old thread but placemarking for interest.

I saw a vid of yours today re Manchester Pride (who I've been most displeased with for a few years). It said the details are on your blog but found this instead.

Will check out more fully in the morning.

Scraggythang · 28/08/2022 00:41

You seem to be on the right forum, OP. And as more and more are being shut down, I hope you’ll find what your looking for here. Although we can’t all speak as freely as we would like, there are people here who are eloquent enough to put thoughts into words without being banned better than I ever could. Good luck.

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