Girl Guide Safeguarding - how to make a complaint

[AgeOfReason99]

So Girl Guiding has been referring complainants about their safeguarding policies to the police apparently.
twitter.com/MDayCassandra/status/1483731590232657922

Let's give them more than they can deal with. Here is their email address for safeguarding concerns:
[email protected]
Bring on the police!

Pressed too soon - nothing to do with commenting on mental health states and just wondering aloud why reasoning and checking first doesnt seem to be a thing anymore.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

There is no proof apart from a second hand anecdote concerning an unnamed party they even This I never get how people automatically would fire off a letter of complaint /get all it's chilling, terrifying etc etc over something they haven't even seen and have only ever heard second hand from an anonymous internet user, and even then it's usually only happened to a friend, not even them. What happened to fact checking first instead of blindly taking as word everything you see or has that completely gone out of the window?!

You clearly know nothing about safeguarding. You don’t “fact check” before sharing your concerns with someone. It’s someone else’s job to do the investigating and yours to pass on concerns.

That was a key message that ran through every safeguarding training session I delivered in my 12 years as a designated safeguarding lead.

because they don't like the name of who's saying it

I admit, people who choose to use 'zany' spellings put me in mind of the Fast Show's Colin Hunt. That's not dislike though, just secondhand embarrassment.

I also support trans rights. People with gender differences should not be discriminated against in employment, health, housing, law or leisure, and I have never seen anything on here which would aim to deny them those rights.

I know and like plenty of trans people who add richness to my family and community.

I find the portrayal of this population as a bland group of universally polite, quiet, kind, unassuming people to be tedious and unrealistic. Trans people are as varied as any other population. Having a gender issue has no protective effect against being a massive dickhead...as this bit of mumsnet frequently reminds us.

Colin Hunt

Thanks, @Alekto, I'd forgotten that.

Its awfully transphobic to suggest that trans people need the right to behave inappropriately . Why don't you think they should he held to the same standards as everyone else? You surely think they are capable?
I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about here.
What bit of what I've said has anything to do with that?
(For what it's worth, yes nobody should be behaving inappropriately.)

Well you understand why the letters and emails are being written then? So if we are agreed no one should be acting inappropriately then " trans rights " are irrelevant ( although I'd like to know what rights we are talking about as they are never revealed trans people have all the sane rights as everyone else. The rights being disputed are those which create safguarding breaches and erosion of consent and boundaries re the opposite sex and vulnerable situations) and you would agree that the photos and social media accessibility and the role if this person in the GG are an issue as the conduct was inappropriate.

Unless you feel the right to post inappropriate photos is part if trans rights or why bring it up?

Pick a side. Are you siding with individual and their right to post explicit photos whiksy advertising theor role as a guide leader. Or the women who feel that is a safguarding risk, even more so as the girls in girl guides will he told this person is a woman amd potentially placed in a mixed ed sex supervision/changing situation.

pick a side
I'm on the side of not potentially getting sucked into scaremongering and mass panic because a friend of a friend or a friend of a friend 's next door neighbour said so on the internet.
It' s all speculation and second or third hand accounts.
The person claiming it, yes if concerned should send an email.
People just going by what they're fed though and no proof it's even happening at all and just blindly believe, that's what I am referring to.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

will take Nina Killen's word that this has happened over yours and Blueberry's anyday though eel. Why though? That's my point - people take it as chilling things happening as gospel without any proof, or evidence, and would fire off complaints on the basis of someone on the internet's friend of a friend or just a friend said so so it must be true. Then won't listen to anyone else saying otherwise because they don't like the name of who's saying it. It's like all sense of reason has left the building.

Because it's happened. Because we know people have been arrested for wrong think.

Or has that all passed you by.

Regardless of police involvement the incident and safeguarding issue has happened.

Where do you stand on that?

I think it's unlikely that she's asking for help and involving the Human Rights Committee and Joanna Cherry just for shits and giggles.

We've all seen how the police jump at the chance to persecute women for ''non-crimes'', so this is, unfortunately, very believable.

Why would Cllr Nina Killen be lying? What would she gain from making up that Merseyside Police passed on a complaint about her friend to Derbyshire Police, who was then interviewed (with a stunned solicitor there with her) and is now waiting on CPS for a decision?

@yourhairiswinterfire

I think it's unlikely that she's asking for help and involving the Human Rights Committee and Joanna Cherry just for shits and giggles.

We've all seen how the police jump at the chance to persecute women for ''non-crimes'', so this is, unfortunately, very believable.

Why would Cllr Nina Killen be lying? What would she gain from making up that Merseyside Police passed on a complaint about her friend to Derbyshire Police, who was then interviewed (with a stunned solicitor there with her) and is now waiting on CPS for a decision?

Because the first line is 'that didn't happen'?

If it is found to have happened will the people who are saying it didn't, agree that it was wrong? That's two people on this thread so far -@BlueberryCheezecake and @EeeICouldRipATissue

(Spoiler, no they won't, they'll be onto 'it wasn't that bad' or 'she deserved it' or something. Because that's the playbook)

it wasn't that bad' or 'she deserved it' or something. Because that's the playbook)
I'd never say anything like that.

(Spoiler, no they won't, they'll be onto 'it wasn't that bad' or 'she deserved it' or something. Because that's the playbook)

Cool. So if it happened it was a really bad thing to happen. We can agree that?

I'd be surprised if the other usual suspect agrees that. One has to maintain room to defend all kinds of shit once one commits to gender identity theory. Because the sacred caste is never wrong.

Excellent. I'm glad we've reached a consensus that if GG have reported women to the police, it was wrong and a bad thing.

I’d it possible to complain to the police about them not investigating a safeguarding issue. This happened in Blackburn where the police were so anxious not to upset a minority ethnic group of men that they allowed abuse of under age girls to continue and in fact returned them to their abusers and branded the woman trying to stop it all happening a racist. Do you have the police email address?

@ArabellaScott

Excellent. I'm glad we've reached a consensus that if GG have reported women to the police, it was wrong and a bad thing.

Oh me too Arabella. And totally confident that no-one will say 'oh they must have reported themselves' or 'this random usually uncontentious word/phrase makes this a hate crime.'

Because that would be really stupid.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

it wasn't that bad' or 'she deserved it' or something. Because that's the playbook) I'd never say anything like that.

I suspect you would.

There are already the usual posters on this board saying "you are all so transphobic the email must have been abusive".

eg Blueberry: "They may have referred one letter to the police, likely on the grounds it contained threatening or otherwise seriously concerning content"

So we are back to "it didn't happen, but if it did she deserved it".

@EeeICouldRipATissue

pick a side I'm on the side of not potentially getting sucked into scaremongering and mass panic because a friend of a friend or a friend of a friend 's next door neighbour said so on the internet. It' s all speculation and second or third hand accounts. The person claiming it, yes if concerned should send an email. People just going by what they're fed though and no proof it's even happening at all and just blindly believe, that's what I am referring to.

eeel it looks quite unlikely that you have actually grasped what the complaints, described in the OP, are complaining about.

Why don't you, eeel, set out clearly what you think the complaints described in the OP (and referred to in your posts) are about, so we can make sure we're all discussing the same thing and nobody has gotten the wrong end of the stick?

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