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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Eric Gill and the BBC

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lucillelarusso · 13/01/2022 09:28

Listened to the today show and feeling sick.
Another example of the BBC's utter misogyny. They describe him as 'having sex' with his daughters rather than raping them, they defend his work. Revolting.

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ErrolTheDragon · 14/01/2022 19:27

@UltraVividLament

For me, it's not as black and white as remove/destroy versus keep and glorify. I'd like to see the BBC sculpture removed from its current position and displayed somewhere where there is the ability to place it in context with information about the artist and their actions during their life. Not hide it away or destroy it, but enable people to recognise the issues around it and be informed about it. If I were the owner of the building I would be consulting widely on how to do that.

I certainly don't want art to be smashed and destroyed by anyone with an issue about it.

I don't see any merit, moral or artistic in relocating it. Would you want Gill's seahorses cum morecambe bay shrimps removed from the Metropole Hotel?
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 14/01/2022 19:38

a Guardian piece from 2009 which refers to Gill's "sexual experiments" with his daughters and claims that "Their history challenges received opinion on the inevitability of damage done by child abuse."

The Guardian is beyond redemption.

UltraVividLament · 14/01/2022 19:56

I don't see any merit, moral or artistic in relocating it. Would you want Gill's seahorses cum morecambe bay shrimps removed from the Metropole Hotel?

To be fair, I am an uneducated philistine when it comes to art. I only have my naive reactions to what I see to go on, I know nothing about the interpretation of art or art appreciation. I find the particular statue on the BBC house to be unappealing personally, naively, given what I inescapably know about the artist. The seahorses don't elicit the same reaction in me.

KeepingAnOpenMind · 14/01/2022 20:01

Well the BBC defended Jimmy Savile for years.
Woke misogynist child abuse apologists.
#DefundtheBBC

lucillelarusso · 14/01/2022 20:51

I would go further and say that many sociopaths are:

  1. superficially charming and hence able to enter high echelons of society
  2. convinced of their own greatness
  3. able to commit harmful crimes with no care for those they abuse
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lucillelarusso · 14/01/2022 20:52

@KeepingAnOpenMind

Well the BBC defended Jimmy Savile for years. Woke misogynist child abuse apologists. #DefundtheBBC
As a victim of Savile I couldn't agree more - their rank misogyny horrifies me
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Boiledeggandtoast · 14/01/2022 21:15

I had to stop reading a biography of the poet David Jones (who had known Eric Gill but not, as far as I read, about the incest) when the author, Thomas Dilworth, described the end of Gill's abuse:
"Accomplished with much internal struggle and the help of confessors, Gill's change of behaviour was an impressive moral achievement." My italics. This is from a book published in 2017!

ErrolTheDragon · 14/01/2022 23:05

Confusedwell that's an, um, interesting perspective.
I suppose with that sort of logic, the RC church will have no qualms about his work at any rate.Hmm

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