Weird one biology

[MrMrsJones]

What are your thoughts round this...

Oh mumset won't let me upload pictures

It was an interesting subject at school?

It's really frustrating because it's quite a few screen shots

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People with disorders of sexual differentiation have repeatedly asked not to be dragged into the trans debate as a gotcha. Why not respect that?

Sounds like a load of bollocks to me.

What's a 'biologist' professor

Regardless, is there any evidence that trans people have anything other than normally developed sex chromosomes sitting on normally developed genes making normal cell expression?

The answer is no there isn't. So attempting to say 'it's complicated' and co-opting DSDs is merely another tool with which to shut GC people up.

This thread is deeply offensive

It was posted on a friends Facebook with a 🙌 and I didn't really understand it.

I wanted to know people's views

@Whingasaurus

This thread is deeply offensive

Can you tell me why the thread is offensive?

It's easy to understand. They are claiming that determining someone's sex is complicated because some people have DSDs. In the same way someone might claim it's complicated to say that humans are a sighted species because some people are visually impaired.

Is it DSD they are referring to?

I wanted something I could say in response

I think that is the guy that was debunked for spreading a heap of bullshit about sunscreens on SM a couple of years ago. Either no credentials or dodgy AF.

Firstly, the whole "hey folks!" "friendly neighbourhood biologist here!" schtick sets my teeth on edge.
I find it irritating and condescending.
But that's my issue so I tried not to let it influence my opinion of what they wrote.

Secondly, what is their point?
That biology isn't "simple"?
Well, no. I didn't think it was.
That sex isn't "simple?"
Well, clearly there are all sorts of interesting cases and exceptions, and that's all very fascinating. So in that respect it's not simple.
But the vast majority of humans are still either biologically male or female, and we can't truly change our sex no matter how much we might want to.
The existence of certain medical conditions does not change that.

Declaring yourself to be the the opposite sex does not make you the opposite sex.
They can't disprove that, so they use individuals with DSDs to disprove a completely different point instead.

It's an old trick... Not got a good counter to an arguement? Make up a different one, and counter that instead!

It's a bit of a shitty way to treat people with DSDs as well.

Nope… I take it back. Not him at all! 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

It's not seeing the forest for the trees.

Sex is not defined by chromosomes. People knew about sex before we knew of any such thing. Farmers knew how to breed their livestock. People figured out a lot about plant breeding too.

Sex is about reproductive role. It's about the types of gametes an organism produces, or did produce, or will produce. Or in some cases, where something has gone wrong, it's about what kinds of gametes their body would have made had that not happened. Including errors at the level of DNA and chromosomes.

So if some extra bit gets included, or there is some developmental error in the appearance of the sex organs in the womb caused by a chemical exposure, or some doctor accidentally cuts of a penis during a circumcision, it doesn't change that a particular body would have developed to be a functioning male or female person if things had gone right.

There is no third gamete, nor any necessary third role in sexual reproduction. Just a large gamete and a small one. Female and male. That's it.