'Pregnant people' now being used by my local trust's maternity dept.

[musicalfrog]

As well as the awful 'chest feeding'.

It makes me angry and sad although I can't really articulate why. What percentage of the population are we appeasing by sacrificing the word woman?

Complain complain complain. Please.

Have there been any examples of NHS changing words to accommodate transwomen in men's heath?

I read an article today on msn by Refinery 29 which used
"Women & people with wombs".

I thought that was a good solution actually.

Pregnant people etc... is just offensive & dehumanising to women as it denies their sex.

The people who don't want to be called women still have wombs though or they couldn't be requiring maternity services.

What is the issue of referring to the collective as pregnant people and individual people by their preferred pronouns/gender identity?

The collective is pregnant women.
The minuscule number of those who want to claim to be something other than a woman whilst still using their female biology to get pregnant are still part of the collective and can ask their own personal gp and midwife to call them whatever they want and stop demanding the rest of us alter our own language to accommodate their demands.

The other 99.9999999% still want to the word woman to be used in women's health care.

We all know it's about men wanting to disconnect 'woman' from any reference to female only biological functions though.

What is the issue of referring to the collective as pregnant people and individual people by their preferred pronouns/gender identity?

The preferred identity of 99% if woman and mother if youre concerned about that.

Either this politeness and care goes in both directions, or this is a forcibly applied, unwanted word being used without care. In which case I shall feel able to speak equally plainly and with my own preferred language.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/prostate-cancer/

The word men is used throughout with no other descriptor. No 'those with a prostate' or similar. Just men.

Vs.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/cervical-cancer/

The word woman by itself isn't used at any point during the document. The phrase 'anyone with a cervix can get cervical cancer. This includes trans and non-binary people with a cervix' is included. There isn't a similar qualifier given on the prostate cancer page - it doesn't say 'anyone with a prostate.. etc'.

There is a disparity. Why people are parroting 'inclusion' when it doesn't work both ways is just baffling.

East Lancashire?

elht.nhs.uk/about-us/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance/maternity/lateral-flow

Write a letter of complaint to the Chief Exec. Ours is very proactive and would respond to this. There is a lot of politically correct woke bollocks in the NHS at the moment which needs to be challenged.

What about ‘people’ who are triggered by the words: pregnant, birth, cervix, Labour, contraction, midwife, epidural, etc etc etc. do we have to use a thousand words when ten will do?

Pregnant transmen are only considered men in law if they have a GRC. Part of getting a GRC is agreeing to live as the sex you wish to be. Being pregnant is not living as a man so the GRC should be revoked

Name and shame them OP

Also does differentiate between humans and non humans Betty Fucking disgusting

[quote DaisiesandButtercups]I shared this on the BJM thread yesterday but it really is excellent and the authors are well respected. Anyone making complaints to trusts might like to link this or quote from it.

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856/full?fbclid=IwAR1GmMyg9yC58i3SargXSSpsw1NgaVoD6raB8cz40YuEgx9VxFTr5A4m4OQ[/quote]
Thanks for sharing this. It ought to be sent to EVERY NHS maternity trust.

‘female sperm’. Unbelievable

For every ‘but beeee kind’ woman I know who says ‘pregnant people’ I’m going to point out that a new mother and father are both referred to inclusively as ‘birthing parents’ but only one of them will have very specific support requirements after birth in terms of their recovery, breastfeeding support and assistance in the bond between mother and newborn. (As covered in the article). Not talking about this correctly diminishes the knowledge of the importance of these very specific needs of a woman and her baby after birth.

@BlinkingBananas

East Lancashire?

elht.nhs.uk/about-us/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance/maternity/lateral-flow

Write a letter of complaint to the Chief Exec. Ours is very proactive and would respond to this. There is a lot of politically correct woke bollocks in the NHS at the moment which needs to be challenged.

No and it's not on the actual website just on their Facebook maternity page from what I can tell.

Would the chief exec not already have ok'ed it then do you think?

I very much doubt it. The Chief Exec doesn't have time to sanction everything. It will go through the Comms team.

You could contact them in the first instance but they will probably give you some waffle.

inclusivity isn't about appeasing anyone.

But that IS what inclusivity is! Of course it is appeasing a group of people.

Strange that you think otherwise.

@Snugglepumpkin

I read an article today on msn by Refinery 29 which used "Women & people with wombs".

I thought that was a good solution actually.

Pregnant people etc... is just offensive & dehumanising to women as it denies their sex.

The people who don't want to be called women still have wombs though or they couldn't be requiring maternity services.

How on earth is it dehumanising to refer to women as people? Literally the very definition of 'people' is humanising, unless you think there's non-human people wandering around the planet.

'Most **men" occasionally fail to get or keep an erection" NHS document on erectile distinction. Nary a transwoman or non binary male in sight.
Erasing women all about keeping the male sex happy. Inclusion is s total red herring.

How on earth is it dehumanising to refer to women as people? Literally the very definition of 'people' is humanising, unless you think there's non-human people wandering around the planet.

Just non male people who aren't entitled to their own name because the male people don't like it. If it were otherwise we would be talking about ejaculating people or people with prostates.as well.

How on earth is it dehumanising to refer to women as people? Literally the very definition of 'people' is humanising, unless you think there's non-human people wandering around the planet.

Because it's reducing women from women to an anonymous, random, mixed sex human thing.

Adult human female. Deal with it.

people seem to be incredibly offended about something that doesn't have any real effect on them...

This seems a bit ironic

Yes of course the erasure of the words women and mother in maternity documents is noting at all to get pissed off about. Fgs!!

I do wonder if those posters going “but it’s inclluuuuussive” spend their time slosh beating the donkey sanctuary for not including cows or age UK for not including children

Not everything is for everyone ffs

Can someone please explain to me how this is not a men's rights movement? Because if it isn't then why do they act like one?

@BlueberryCheezecake

It is denying the reality of their sex, of what they are which enables them to be pregnant.

Not all women can get pregnant, but only those who are biologically women can get pregnant.

People refers to others of the opposite sex who will never be the target of maternity services.
It is pointlessly inaccurate & makes it hard for those who do not necessarily have a good standard of English or have English as a second/third language to understand.
Forcing language to contort just to fit fantastical thinking leaves it too vague.

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer

people seem to be incredibly offended about something that doesn't have any real effect on them...

This seems a bit ironic

Who said that? It affects me. It affects me as a member of a sex class with across the board poorer health outcomes than men, by removing the focus from the gap and the reasons for it. It affects me particularly regarding medical support during pregnancy and childbirth and reproductive system health, as this is a critical area where only women need healthcare hence has long been neglected. It affects me as a heavily pregnant women who finds inaccurate terms like chestfeeding extremely offputting. Even if you were a lactating man it would be breastfeeding just like it’s breast cancer even if you’re a man, not the chest cavity/chest wall/chest anything. I want healthcare from people focussed on health care not on ok let’s use that made up term that isn’t true to keep some people happy despite those people seeming quite comfortable enough wiht their biology to grow a baby in their uterus, they have to draw a line and that line is women and any related terms, so you have to not be a woman anymore. Have you not seen the recent horrific stats on how much more likely women are to die from surgery with a male surgeon than a female, no similar effect observed for men? Not having to think about women specifically removes the need to confront these realities which have enormous health impacts for women. And let’s not even get into the developing world.

@timeisnotaline great post. And the article linked to above also points out that pushing Queer Theory in third world countries can be perceived as oppressive/ colonialist.