Newson health - menopause specialists, say trans & non binary people experience menopause

[CruellaDeVilla]

FFS, is there no end to this utter fucking bullshit?

These are DOCTORS!

www.balance-menopause.com/

“Women, and trans and non-binary people, have been suffering with the menopause hormone deficiency for decades and it’s time to put this right. You do not need to put up with debilitating symptoms that affect your daily life, work, relationships and your future health. There is safe, low-cost, effective treatment available, and everybody should know about this and have access to it, should they wish.”

I had a lot of respect for Newson Health until now

At least it hasn't been reduced to uterus-havers :(

That sentence doesn't even make any sense! Surely if it said 'suffering with estrogen deficiency' it would make more sense?
But which trans people does she mean?
Transmen who don't take hormones and haven't had surgery?
Surely transwomen are already taking regular HRT (if they've gone down that path?)

@CruellaDeVilla

I had a lot of respect for Newson Health until now

What are they saying that is incorrect?

FFS they must understand biological reality how can they be prepared to pretend they don’t

In fact any female person can suffer menopause... gee who would have thought that

I think she’s probably talking about transmen, and to be honest it’s better than saying uterus-havers. It’s just a bit annoying because it gives equal amounts of space to groups that are numerically a minuscule percentage.

I don’t know what the answer is really. How to use inclusive without being slightly bonkers.

Women, and trans and non-binary people, have been suffering with the menopause hormone deficiency for decades

Back in the real world, it's all humans of the adult female variety suffer menopause, and not just "decades" either, since time immemorial.

I will grant then the olive branch or "bridge" or whatever, for remembering the word "women" in the first place.

But not all transpeople will experience it, not all non binary people will experience it.
Females who live long enough experience it.

I find it better than the awful dehumanising language that is so often used these days, such as period-haver, or uterus owner or whatever. Or even "non-men" that some organisations have used. At least they have used the word "woman" and not hidden it away.

What is very odd is the idea that the menopause has only been an issue for decades, rather than the dawn of humanity. Perhaps they mean that individual women can suffer for decades? Odd.

Assuming that by 'trans' people, they mean transmen (I.e. biological females), then I have less issue with it than if they had said uterus havers or similar which seems to be the fashion here in Scotland. I prefer women and.... to dehumanising body part terms.

Not sure what a menopause hormone deficiency is, not why females have only experienced it for decades, but I can't object to the phrasing 'women and....' tbh.

Look - if you can double your client base at a stroke… ££££

'Decades'?

WTF?

Yes this is factually correct: "Women, and trans and non-binary people..."

They put women first and are not afraid to use that word. Then, in order to include females who don't want to be called women, they list trans and non-binary people. It would have been better if they'd said female trans and non-binary people, given what we know about some TW trying to claim female biological phenomena, but in the current situation, this is what I would want them to do in preference to pretending women aren't a thing and erasing/sidelining the category of woman.

It is right to be inclusive in this way, especially given how many people are being told that being non-binary is "valid" and that TWAW, TMAM etc. and so genuinely won't see themselves as women (which is not a good thing in my view but they still need to be included).

I’m not too bothered about “woman and...”, although it does imply that woman is a gender rather than a sex. As I don’t have a gender I don’t come under any of the categories listed. At least the word woman is there.

As for it only being ‘for decades’ that women have had the menopause/ suffered with symptoms of the menopause...

I actually think it is good that it lists out women and trans and binary. It shows that trans are not women.

They’re right, in fairness. Women, even if they identify as trans or nb…
The danger is that any mention of “transpeople” is automatically decoded as ‘transwomen’, since tw are the sole and only focus of transactivism. Almost like the way man is the default setting in so many parts of life. T’is a funny old world.

I’m personally ok with the phrasing ‘women and . . .’. Anything that avoids the erasure implicit in terms like ‘menstruaters’ is a win.

I have no idea where the ‘decades’ come from, but I take issue with the blanket assertion that women suffer with the menopause related hormone ‘deficiency’.

Some women, but by no means all, suffer with it, and it is debatable whether normal and natural levels of hormones (oestrogen, surely?) should be considered a deficiency.

Post-menopausal women are still normal, even if society at large view us as aberrant.

But it isn't saying that all women do, any more than saying that women have babies is saying that all women do.

Also, if it says women (and xyz) experience menopause, then it is actually not saying that woman is a gender, because male TW don't. So it's using women as a sex, plus those trans and NB people who also have the female sex.

I think it would be better if it said Women, transmen & non-binary people who are female rather than trying to cram in an implication that transwomen might be part of it too.

At least they tried I suppose.

Women, including female trans and non-binary people, have been suffering with the menopause hormone deficiency for decades

Cruel and unhelpful to pretend to people with any kind of trans identity that their sex is irrelevant. After all, their female sex is precisely why trans and non-binary people suffer with the menopause hormone deficiency.

@Snugglepumpkin

I think it would be better if it said Women, transmen & non-binary people who are female rather than trying to cram in an implication that transwomen might be part of it too.

At least they tried I suppose.

Agree with this.

If it makes sense to refer to women and not men because sex is relevant, I don’t see why the same doesn’t apply to trans people.

Transwomen are not of the female sex, so this doesn’t apply to them. By stating “trans” it covers trans people of both sexes, which is incorrect.

Point taken but I’m more concerned about the emotive language. My menopause was an absolute breeze compared to puberty, and while I realise it’s not the same for everyone this builds a narrative of the weak and ‘damaged’ female

I think it could have been differently phrased, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with making it clear that menopause can have serious effects. I think saying that’s a weak/damaged female narrative is emotive! It’s important to be clear about the things that physically affect, and yes sometimes harm, females - and males in their turn. Childbirth, for example, can leave women horribly damaged. That’s not about being weak, it’s an amazing ability unique to females (in humans). But it has effects that need to be understood, need to be researched and treated, need funding for that, etc.

The alternative is pretending women are the physical equal of men, and they aren’t. Stronger in some specific ways, but overall weaker. Pretending women and men aren’t really different physically or the differences don’t matter is part of the whole trans ideology juggernaut. But women (and other female people, if you are being as inclusive as possible) are weaker and more easily harmed. If that’s a “narrative”, it’s a true one.