USA: Almost 50% of Trans Inmates in Federal Custody for Sex Offences

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Amanda Stulman, the Director of the USA branch of Keep Prisons Single Sex obtained these documents on December 14, 2021. I knew she had a Freedom of Information Request out for this (which had attempts by our own ACLU to block it), but I had no idea this information showed worse rates of criminal sex behavior than the general male prison population.

"According to the document, 48.47% of biological male inmates identifying as women are in federal custody for sex offences, compared to just 4.71% of biological females identifying as men, and 11.2% of the non-transgender male population of federal inmates in general."

Please note that these are our country's FEDERAL sex crimes which are particularly heinous (sorry, I stole that adjective from Law and Order). People convicted of lesser sex crimes like prostitution are not convicted of federal sex crimes.

Federal sex crimes include sex crimes against children and minors; sex trafficking; sex crimes committed as part of criminal conspiracies over time; sex crimes involving torture, murder, kidnapping, imprisonment, sadism and federal hate crime aggravators; sex crimes involving the making, distribution or possession of images or footage of children and minors being sexually abused; sex crimes that involve crossing state lines or the USA's borders.

Ignore me. I wasn't paying attention.

And the ACLU tried to stop this from getting out… now why, oh why would that be? Shady AF.

Wonder how long this thread will stay up.

Stats for the UK are similar. This is from the Judicial review of trans prisoners in women's prisons, so it's reliable and checked:

The most recent data published by the Defendant show that of 163 transgender prisoners, 81 have convictions for sexual offences, and 76 of those prisoners were held in the male estate at the time when the data were collected (shortly before the Care and Management Policy came into effect). That shows a prevalence of sexual offending by the known transgender prison population of over 50% compared to a prevalence of around 18% in male prisons generally and around 4% in female prisons generally. A history of sexual offending is an indicator of risk of future sexual offending; and women are more likely than men to be the victims of sexual offending. The evidence therefore supports the existence of a prejudicial effect on women if transgender prisoners in the male estate are transferred into the female estate.

Whole judgement is here:
www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2021/1746.html

I don't want to derail this thread, but 'lady brains'?

Don't really want to derail the thread either, but basically everything I'm saying there is science fiction/fantasy. I'm hypothesising an as-yet-undiscovered actual "factor X" that would clearly predict behaviour as strongly as sex does, like in those prison stats, where there is almost no overlap.

If there was, then there could be similar arguments for basing policy on it, with similar sort of ethical conundrums.

The TRA position is that being "sex blind" is a virtue. (I agree it is, up to a point). The feminist position is that being totally "sex blind" particularly harms females. I personally think it's clear that limited sex discrimination as permitted in the EA2010 is a net benefit - massive benefit to women, basically no loss to men.

If there was some other factor X with similar characteristics, then you'd have the same argument about being "X blind".

And on drawing the line - it's the sex (or factor X) that strongly predicts the behaviour. The behaviour doesn't determine the sex (or factor X). You have to draw the line on what you can observe, and that then ultimately determines the predictive value.

And it's clear that "self-declared gender identity" has no predictive value for behaviour except in as much as it correlates to sex. Whenever they differ, sex gives a better answer. Genderists act as if their "gender identity" is this imaginary factor X, but it clearly isn't.

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Is prostitution counted as a sex crime in the US?

I'm not sure if it's classified as a sex crime or not. But alone, prostitution is not a federal sex crime. Convictions and sentencing are different (more severe for federal sex crimes).

I too hope this thread can stay up. This data is directly from the US Bureau of Prison stats. This information is vital for the public to make informed opinions and I'm grateful that my country's Freedom of Information Act allowed the public access to this data for us to interpret it and demand policies and laws accordingly. Criticism of simply obtaining the data or discussing it in an attempt to analyze it should also be seen as a criticism of democracy. Of course, we need to respect MN rules, and as US citizen I have no fear of my government coming after me for talking about this, but I feel strongly about allowing people to make their own judgements about data. I don't think it implicates all transwomen as predators - I have some in my life who are non-violent, good people, but I do think it argues that Self-ID is dangerously subjective and can easily lead to abuses.

Hm. So it's internationally consistent, in both the UK and the USA. Interesting.

And if 50% of trans inmates are in custody for sex offences, what is the comparison percentage for male inmates as a whole?

I think the figure from the op is 11.2% of the non-transgender male population and the corresponding figure from FPFW for the UK is about 20%. So we can probably deduce that either

(1) transwomen are more than twice as likely to be sexual offenders than other male prisoners; or
(2) men who are sexual offenders are much more likely to claim to be trans.

Either (or both) must be true.

To what extent does the fact of someone identifying as trans make it more likely that a trans offender will be caught and convicted as compared to an equally guilty offender who conforms to gender norms in other respects? This could be due to heightened suspicion or even transphobia in the general population, in the police or within the justice system. It seems unlikely that this would account for all of the dramatic statistical differences but we can't assume it's not a factor. The general male population could be just as much of a risk but never caught/convicted (remember the ridiculously low conviction rates for sex crimes).
Practically, how would this play out? Someone who commits child sex abuse in a wig has no disadvantage versus the police compared to someone who commits child sex abuse without a wig. It's not a stop and search, visual profiling scenario. I don't believe the police in either country pursue offenders who happen to be trans with extra rigour; it's equally likely that the opposite is true.

The other question that would need some research for a complete analysis of the causes of the statistical differences would be to assess the extent to which cultural pressures towards gender conforming presentation and behaviour are responsible for cultivating a dysfunctional mental landscape that is unsuccessfully repressed and eventually explodes as a criminal pathology? Is it the case that if 7yo Jonny had never been beaten or ridiculed for wanting to wear a dress and play with dolls, then maybe as a 40yo the individual would never have been on the path that spiraled into criminal behaviour in the first place. Such factors are likely to be a contribution to why some offenders don't come out as trans until after conviction.
I hate, hate, hate this argument. It's the "look what you made me do" argument. Who gets beaten and ridiculed and controlled and abused more than girls? Girls get bought and sold, cut up, dressed up, trussed up, and told to shut up and put up since birth. The women they grow into, if they make it that far, don't "explode" into paedophilia. In fact I don't even think there's a strong correlation between being sexually abused as a boy and being a paedophile as a man - from what I remember many paedophiles claimed it for sympathy but it was no more likely to have actually happened to them than to any other boy, and therefore less likely to happen than to a girl.

Why are we in this position?

Having to defend why males should never be locked up with women in prisons?

Produce data etc etc.

99.999% of the world KNOWS what the problem is, what the risks are, what the obvious impacts on women will be.

Male convicted criminals, all of them, having the ability to be moved to female estate, based on something that there's no test for. Whatever the system in place we know from various countries the starting point is go with women, some may get removed, or not get moved if come out as trans in male prison.

But loads do and the policies I've seen say think about the trans person, other considerations barely mentioned if at all.

Pretty much everyone knows that this will mean discomfort, fear, risk for women in prison. And why is risk of pregnancy never mentioned???

The question is. Prove, give us data, convince us it's all fine.

Not women having to fight for info etc to show the bleeding fucking obvious.

@CheeseMmmm

Why are we in this position?

Having to defend why males should never be locked up with women in prisons?

Produce data etc etc.

99.999% of the world KNOWS what the problem is, what the risks are, what the obvious impacts on women will be.

Male convicted criminals, all of them, having the ability to be moved to female estate, based on something that there's no test for. Whatever the system in place we know from various countries the starting point is go with women, some may get removed, or not get moved if come out as trans in male prison.

But loads do and the policies I've seen say think about the trans person, other considerations barely mentioned if at all.

Pretty much everyone knows that this will mean discomfort, fear, risk for women in prison. And why is risk of pregnancy never mentioned???

The question is. Prove, give us data, convince us it's all fine.

Not women having to fight for info etc to show the bleeding fucking obvious.

Exactly. It's the same pattern as in sport. Almost everyone knows it's a terrible idea and can see the inevitable hideous consequences from space.

Yet in both scenarios women will have to suffer years, maybe decades of serious harm before finally some people in power decide "yeah maybe all that wasn't such a great idea after all but how could we have known back then?"

@TurquoiseBaubles

That's interesting. So either

(1) transwomen are more likely to be sexual offenders than men; or
(2) men who are sexual offenders are claiming to be trans.

One has to be true.

In a nutshell, this is what the whole battle against self ID is about.