What does this mean?

bishophaha · 30/12/2021 18:48

Wow, that is directly discriminating against agender and other trans people.
I'd be really interested to know what the job is and how they can justify that.

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CiaoForDiNiaoSaur · 30/12/2021 18:53

The job title is "female weekend extra care support worker" providing care to people with LDs, MH issues, ASD and older people.

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MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 30/12/2021 18:57

I would ask for clarification on what that means.

Tbh I think it means the person must be female as it is a specific requirement of the role (presumably Caring for a female client) but the use of gender instead of sex is confusing and the whole statement is badly phrased.

bishophaha · 30/12/2021 18:58

Ok it sounds like they're trying to specify they want a female person, which they are allowed to do under the Equality Act. But they aren't sure/ clear whether it's female sex or woman gender they are looking for - strictly speaking it suggests it's both?

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CiaoForDiNiaoSaur · 30/12/2021 19:01

@bishophaha

Ok it sounds like they're trying to specify they want a female person, which they are allowed to do under the Equality Act. But they aren't sure/ clear whether it's female sex or woman gender they are looking for - strictly speaking it suggests it's both?

That's what I thought. It says they are a stonewall Champion too. I have a young relative who needs carers to come in and help with personal care. She has specifically requested that they only send female carers when it's for personal care. She'd be horrified if they sent a TW who she would see as being male.

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry it just doesn't make sense as a sentence does it! I'm not going to ask as I'm not planning to apply. I just wondered if anyone knew what it meant.

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ErrolTheDragon · 30/12/2021 19:02

Very puzzling until I saw your second post. I think it means they want an actual woman. They should have said sex not gender... in a carefully reworded sentence!

Whatsnewpussyhat · 30/12/2021 19:03

The equality act says you can specify the sex of applicants for certain jobs.
Fuck all to do with 'gender'.

They are twisting the actual law to pretend they can employ men who identify as women to appease Stonewall who they are enslaved to.

Horizons83 · 30/12/2021 19:04

I think it’s poorly written but in fact will only accept applications from those of the female sex.

EdinburghFeminist · 30/12/2021 19:05

I would assume they only want female applicants but are worried about putting that so have muddied the waters by saying gender instead of sex.

LightningJenny · 30/12/2021 19:05

They want a woman by the looks of things.

JellySaurus · 30/12/2021 19:05

I suspect that it forewarns you of the discrimination you will suffer, should old you expect any support from them based upon your protected characteristic of sex. 🚩

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CiaoForDiNiaoSaur · 30/12/2021 19:05

@ErrolTheDragon and @Horizons83 yes i think you're both right reading it again.

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JellySaurus · 30/12/2021 19:07

Of course they want a woman, as is their right in law. But they've been Stonelawed, so they can't or won't say so.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/12/2021 19:08

I think it's quite likely they merely used 'gender' as a euphemism tbh, rather than any deeper motive. They really couldn't say 'sex is an occupational requirement' , could they, it would have needed a longer sentence.

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CiaoForDiNiaoSaur · 30/12/2021 19:13

@ErrolTheDragon

I think it's quite likely they merely used 'gender' as a euphemism tbh, rather than any deeper motive. They really couldn't say 'sex is an occupational requirement' , could they, it would have needed a longer sentence.

It's been so long I quite fancy a job where sex is a requirement tbh (Providing its with someone young and hot)

In all seriousness though it shows how things have gone that i see the words "gender" and "stonewall champion" and assume its something its not!

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Soontobe60 · 30/12/2021 19:19

@bishophaha

Wow, that is directly discriminating against agender and other trans people. I'd be really interested to know what the job is and how they can justify that.

The Equality Act refers to sex or gender reassignment, not gender identity. It is perfectly lawful to positively discriminate in favour of a particular sex in specific circumstances. www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/sex-discrimination#lawful

KittenKong · 30/12/2021 19:23

So they want a woman, but as stonewall slaves they are tying themselves in knots to NOT say so. Sheesh…

Artichokeleaves · 30/12/2021 19:38

With gender used instead of sex, the actual protected characteristic they're referring to, and the Stonewall mention front and centre, they mean the candidate must identify as a woman, but can be of either sex.

I am very glad I will not be looking to that organisation for care, because I'd want a female carer and I have no doubt if I mentioned that, then all hell would break loose.

SolasAnla · 30/12/2021 19:42

@CiaoForDiNiaoSaur

Looking online at what jobs are available in the mad hope I'll be well enough to get back to work soon.

What does the bit in bold mean on this advert? How can gender be a requirement of the job? Does that mean I can't apply if i don't have one?

That they have an incompetent HR team who don't actually understand that the organisation needs to apply the actual legislation regarding the sex exemption. This is important if they are recruiting for employees who provide personal care as they can lawfully recruited to fill sex specific roles and lawfully exclude either sex.

WarOnWoman · 30/12/2021 19:45

With gender used instead of sex, the actual protected characteristic they're referring to, and the Stonewall mention front and centre, they mean the candidate must identify as a woman, but can be of either sex.

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Cuck00soup · 30/12/2021 19:48

The whole text scans to me like it was written by someone who isn't a native English speaker.

It sounds to me like they are looking for a female carer and trying to say, correctly, that this is permitted under the EA. I'm inclined to think it's just badly worded.

TheMarzipanDildo · 30/12/2021 19:49

Haha, “sex is an occupational requirement”

Would work if they were running a brothel, of course.

As it stands, they have misread the Equality Act.

Waitwhat23 · 30/12/2021 20:08

I assume they are referring to Schedule 9, Paragraph 1 of the Occupational Exemptions detailed in the Equality Act 2010. Most jobs which require this detail this explicitly in the job advertisement.

As they mention being a Stonewall Diversity Champion, I assume they have been coached to pretend that sex isn't a protected characteristic (it is), that gender is a protected characteristic (it's not) and that there aren't sex specific exemptions (there are).

It's been established that Stonewall have been giving incorrect information to those organisations that they 'advise' (University of Essex report) so it's not surprising at all.