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JK Rowling featured in Guardian person of the year

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Blackandwhitehorse · 30/12/2021 18:02

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/30/guardian-readers-nominate-their-person-of-the-year

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 30/12/2021 21:13

@Whatiswrongwithmyknee

Regardless of whether she got more votes or not I think we can agree that the binary concepts of winning and not winning do not properly encompass the relationship which a person has with winning or not winning. This is definitive proof that there no longer is any winning or not winning in any scientific or mathematical sense. If JK feels like a winner then she is. If we, are JK fans, feel like she is a winner, then she is and it is bigoted of anyone to suggest otherwise.

Basically, I think she won. Moral victory at the very least (in terms of what she stands for, not in relation to the other nominees).

Love this Grin
DadDadDad · 30/12/2021 21:20

[quote StringyPotatoes]Slight snag.... It appears Rowling was doing too well...

www.dailywire.com/news/british-newspaper-cancels-person-of-the-year-poll-after-j-k-rowling-runs-away-with-top-spot?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro[/quote]
This is one of those fake news stories that got carried away with the Twitter storm. There was never a poll! (The many comments on Twitter were not votes, submission was via their website).

The Guardian article published today is the end product of the process where they ran one of their usual "Tell us" articles, got people to submit their views, and have now written up an article to reflect what readers said. Just like a few months ago they asked readers "Tell us your favourite spaghetti recipes" then published a selection of the best....

ErrolTheDragon · 30/12/2021 21:25

@Whatiswrongwithmyknee

Regardless of whether she got more votes or not I think we can agree that the binary concepts of winning and not winning do not properly encompass the relationship which a person has with winning or not winning. This is definitive proof that there no longer is any winning or not winning in any scientific or mathematical sense. If JK feels like a winner then she is. If we, are JK fans, feel like she is a winner, then she is and it is bigoted of anyone to suggest otherwise.

Basically, I think she won. Moral victory at the very least (in terms of what she stands for, not in relation to the other nominees).

Have you been binge-watching Yes Minister?
festivesprinkles · 30/12/2021 21:32

@Whatiswrongwithmyknee GrinGrinGrin

AbandonedCharacter · 30/12/2021 21:33

What a fantastic bunch of nominees! They all deserve it, especially JKR for the way she has been misrepresented.

WhoLetTheMouseOut · 30/12/2021 21:46

But honestly, to vote for her over healthcare workers is odd. Healthcare workers have been asked to do do much the last few years and how an author can win over this is wrong.

What an odd view? A writer who wrote an epic coming-of-age story inspiring millions of children, allowing them to dream, develop a passion for reading, learn that tough obstacles can be overcome capturing their imagination, and building empathy by writing about an iconic hero’s journey? Sure, nothing useful or special with that right? Grin Grin Grin

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 30/12/2021 21:55

But honestly, to vote for her over healthcare workers is odd. Healthcare workers have been asked to do do much the last few years and how an author can win over this is wrong

You’re A OK with Garth Southgate being nominated and voted for yeah?

Thats not…. ‘Odd’ ?

Personally i think there are some great names on there (including gareth) and its excellent to see healthcare and frontline workers nominated and first in the article

letsallchant · 30/12/2021 22:02

Fantastic.

Berkspolix · 30/12/2021 22:15

And great to see that Ranboo made the list because he got a lot of votes on Twitter too!!

I'm not so sure, Ranboo raises money for The Trevor Project which is an LGBTQ charity which is a shame and goes against what JKR stands for.

KittenKong · 30/12/2021 22:16

Against what she stands for? So it’s anti women?

Berkspolix · 30/12/2021 22:19

@KittenKong

Against what she stands for? So it’s anti women?
The T part is.
334bu · 30/12/2021 22:23

The T part is.

So trans activism is anti- women. Thanks for making that clear.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 30/12/2021 22:24

@Berkspolix

And great to see that Ranboo made the list because he got a lot of votes on Twitter too!!

I'm not so sure, Ranboo raises money for The Trevor Project which is an LGBTQ charity which is a shame and goes against what JKR stands for.

Jkr is not anti trans.
Berkspolix · 30/12/2021 22:28

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saraclara · 30/12/2021 22:40

@Berkspolix

And great to see that Ranboo made the list because he got a lot of votes on Twitter too!!

I'm not so sure, Ranboo raises money for The Trevor Project which is an LGBTQ charity which is a shame and goes against what JKR stands for.

Do you want these organisations not to exist? Do you want to deprive gay and lesbian young people (let's leave trans completely out of it just for clarity) of support and guidance because you approve of JKR's stance?

You have a problem with some trans issues. So you resent someone who supports an organisation that helps LGBTQ people being put forward by some Guardian readers?

I'm also a fan of JKR but I don't think she'd think like you on this.

2319inprogress · 30/12/2021 22:50

Bahahaha! Fabulous

Interesting to note they did so with more grace than I expected.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 30/12/2021 22:52

Interesting to note they did so with more grace than I expected

Yes they did

Berkspolix · 30/12/2021 22:57

I'm also a fan of JKR but I don't think she'd think like you on this.

Like me she doesn't support men in women's single sex spaces so she wouldn't support a charity that helps them.

There's plenty of LGB organisations that could do with support - LGB Alliance for one.

Doyoumind · 30/12/2021 23:07

Interesting that, as far as I can see, they didn't tweet about this. I'm certain if JKR hadn't featured they would have. They've done the article but aren't promoting it.

ArabellaScott · 30/12/2021 23:13

Great
Well done JKR and Michelle, and well done Guardian for gracious inclusion.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee in my view your post wins the thread. Grin

NotTerfNorCis · 31/12/2021 03:45

And in a sign of the ongoing debate overgender issues, many readers also nominated the author JK Rowling, and online content creator Ranboo.

Looks to me like the phrase 'and in a sign of the ongoing debate over gender issues ' was hurriedly added at the last minute and not checked. ('overgender')

Also, whoever Ranboo is, they clearly think he was picked because he represents a side of this debate.

AryaStarkWolf · 31/12/2021 04:57

So happy JK Rowling can see how many people agree with her and stand with her. Yes she's a multi millionaire but she was still so brave to speak out and risk her legacy, we women need very famous people to do this so everyone else feels brave enough

JaneEyress · 31/12/2021 05:10

Amazed and glad they actually printed it. This really is progress from where we were last year.

A580Hojas · 31/12/2021 05:23

Very pleasing to see. I do hope Michelle from Wiltshire is a Mumsnetter.

StucklnAChimneyCantGetOutOflt · 31/12/2021 06:06

As far as I can make out, 18 year old Ranboo (pronouns he/him) is a minecraft youtuber/twitch streamer, with a massive LGBT following including many transmasc/non binary fans, who nicknamed him Genderman (I assume originally this is because Ranboo the character was half ghast, half enderman) and it became a joke - he said something about lots of people wanting to steal his gender cos of gender envy - him being so masculine. Said fans lapped it up/had a lot of banter about it. He is really just a nerdy, sweet young man making $$$$ from his bedroom, having played minecraft for 9 years, living his dream I guess...and confused as to how he won/was listed.
As am I...his demographic does not fit with the nominating for a Guardian poll at all, unless it was just the one, sole anonymous aussie rando. Or there are loads of transboys in adulation. He does the kind of schtick my son adores. Hint - he would not be filling in a poll.