Blooming hell, Piers Morgan

[MrMrsJones]

Piers Morgan standing up for JKR.

I had the link but lost it...brb

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/piers-morgan-hits-out-ungrateful-25813575

It's funny how that Mirror reporter slips in a descriptor of JKR's views as "controversial" in the very first sentence. Note the usual tactic of disparaging her views without actually detailing them or the (non-existent) fault.
Piers Morgan, whatever you think of him, is quite good at spotting what the man/woman on the street thinks; he has his ear to the ground. Piers and most of the the rest of us understand science and don't think that belief in it is 'damaging'.

To a degree, I think I can't disrespect someone's right to a different opinion and Chris (actor who plays weasley) is, I think, in a particularly difficult place, as he says he has a lot of family members who are LGBT. I can understand that.

I daresay the book being what it is, it will naturally draw many people who feel displaced towards it. The books are pure escapism and for those who need to reimagine themselves, perhaps it's particularly appealing. Maybe this drives the fanaticism around the books. All the actors as such (well in Emma's case, she just appears to have had the sort of ease in early life which means you can embrace all trendy issues without much scrutiny as it will never affect you, which might explain some of the ridiculous things she comes out with) are under a lot of pressure, as they doubtless are seen as natural figure heads for lgbtq+ charities and likely receive tons of fan mail from people struggling with gender dysphoria.

What I can't respect is throwing JK under the bus. That's uncalled for.

Piers Morgan has been quite vocal about challenging this issue before, so not unexpected, and he's done so quite intelligently on those occasions, but the problem is he has spent so much time 'lambasting' celebs over relative trivia. His voice now just sounds like a lot of din in the background, which imo, is a shame.

This isn’t anything new. He has always maintained he doesn’t even like JKR but that she has been treated appallingly and on this she is 100% right.

Piers can be a right twat but he’s also right on a number of things (JKR, American gun laws) and he isn’t afraid to stand by his opinions even when it costs him a lot.

@ 08m 30^

He is a despicable human being. Full of hate and vitriol.

Having people like him on our side, does nothing to help the cause unfortunately. It's the same as Donald Trump Jr showing his support for JKR. It makes us look like we're 'in the wrong' and makes people think our view are automatically extremely right wing.

People like this, as well as Trump, assorted Tories, GB news etc are trying to stoke the culture wars for political advancement. They are not natural allies of radical feminists and most of them give no more shits about women than they do about transpeople or anyone else. They’re opportunists.

@DorothyZbornakIsAQueen

He is a despicable human being. Full of hate and vitriol.

Having people like him on our side, does nothing to help the cause unfortunately. It's the same as Donald Trump Jr showing his support for JKR. It makes us look like we're 'in the wrong' and makes people think our view are automatically extremely right wing.

I detest the man but I'm sure that he (and Donald Trump Jnr) would also agree with me that the world isn't flat. In my opinion this just shows that outside the Twitter bubble, most people do not believe in Gender Ideology.

@TheLeadbetterLife

People like this, as well as Trump, assorted Tories, GB news etc are trying to stoke the culture wars for political advancement. They are not natural allies of radical feminists and most of them give no more shits about women than they do about transpeople or anyone else. They’re opportunists.

Agree

He's got a point. She's been absolutely trashed. They need to do some research and stop saying things to please other people.

Agreed Lennybenny Of course he's got a point and I happen to agree with him about JKR. As an adult I am able to separate out different views and agree with some of them, while disagreeing with others - even when expressed by the same person.
This demand that only people with approved views may speak is exhausting - and of course straight out of the tra playbook.

It used to upset me when people accused me of being right wing. I no longer care very much. I know who I am and I now think that outsourcing your opinions - be it to the left or the right or even to radical feminism - is foolish, reckless and ultimately dangerous behaviour.

I also find it amusing how often those who try and associate us with the far right - for believing sex matters - turn out to be the very same people who deny the existence of cancel culture.

@TheLeadbetterLife

People like this, as well as Trump, assorted Tories, GB news etc are trying to stoke the culture wars for political advancement. They are not natural allies of radical feminists and most of them give no more shits about women than they do about transpeople or anyone else. They’re opportunists.

Respectfully I disagree. The fact is a traditional view (like it or, leave it) of women, or female roles has always been associated with the conservative or right side of politics, which has been the natural home of a great deal many more traditional women, like myself, who would never in a month of Sundays have investigated radical feminism were it not for the pernicious danger this issue poses to women.

As such, a resistance to trans ideology (as it undermines a traditional precept of womanhood and women's safety) is part and parcel of the 'preservation of values' side of right wing politics. To the Right, it is straightforward logic with very little, if any, grey. Are they capitalising on it in the culture wars? Most definitely. But it is, and would always have been a natural subject and vehicle for them to use.

Indeed, many would say it is the left politically, who became so extreme it opened the door to where we are now, and who are turning themselves inside out trying to balance women rights and lgb rights with new and trendy trans rights. The same deplatforming tactics they used when defending these previous groups, they are using now. But many overlook that. It was alright then. Now suddenly it isn't. But still ok for those we don't agree with politically.

The 'right' gets a lot of the very same brush stroke criticism and frankly false spin by the media that women who speak out about this issue including JKR receive.

I always find it ironic that people who profess to see the propaganda when it's targeted at them don't see it in other contexts.

I think anyone who sees essential rights to women's safety as being on a 'wrong side' despite reading about the issue, is so consumed by their politics that they cannot see the basic morality anymore. Que in a magazine article about the athletic coach who resigned over the trans swimmer joining the women's team, people commenting 'she just wants to be on Fox TV' and 'this is just so she can grandstand for the right'

@Goatsaregreat

Agreed Lennybenny Of course he's got a point and I happen to agree with him about JKR. As an adult I am able to separate out different views and agree with some of them, while disagreeing with others - even when expressed by the same person. This demand that only people with approved views may speak is exhausting - and of course straight out of the tra playbook.

Absolutely, is it getting to the stage where there is a 'list' of who we can agree with? Is there going to be a quiz to get on this list to prove all your thoughts and views on everything align perfectly or you can't be considered?

I'm no fan of his but every now and again he says something i'll agree with him on , just like the MeMeMe Markle incident

@Floisme

It used to upset me when people accused me of being right wing. I no longer care very much. I know who I am and I now think that outsourcing your opinions - be it to the left or the right or even to radical feminism - is foolish, reckless and ultimately dangerous behaviour.

I also find it amusing how often those who try and associate us with the far right - for believing sex matters - turn out to be the very same people who deny the existence of cancel culture.

Yes, well put.

To a degree, I think I can't disrespect someone's right to a different opinion and Chris (actor who plays weasley) is, I think, in a particularly difficult place, as he says he has a lot of family members who are LGBT.

He has a family member who is LGB and T.

Fuck me they must be really adaptable.

I do agree with a lot of what she said. I think Women aren't being allowed to be women anymore and saying so gets you harassed. I also don't understand why someone can say they're trans but keep all the bits that let them have a baby and then complain someone called them a Mum. In the same way a trans woman can compete and win by a margin but no one is allowed to say that's actually not a fair race to begin with.
The point is being made we can't have an opinion unless we have the same one. You aren't allowed to believe in the LGBT community without accepting everything they say even if you have a slightly different but not against it view.

@TheLeadbetterLife

People like this, as well as Trump, assorted Tories, GB news etc are trying to stoke the culture wars for political advancement. They are not natural allies of radical feminists and most of them give no more shits about women than they do about transpeople or anyone else. They’re opportunists.

I doubt many people are natural allies of radical feminists. That silly comment on the Kathleen Stock thread that if Kathleen Stock isn't a radical feminist she must be in favour or pornography, prostitution and surrogacy doesn't exactly help to make it a cause I'm sympathetic to.

You're engaging in a purity spiral. Up to you of course but it comes across as slightly deranged.

@Riapia

^He has a family member who is LGB and T.
Fuck me they must be really adaptable.^

Oh I see. Extremely adaptable!

@DysonSphere indeed. Here in Scotland, it's the 'left wing' political groups who are determinedly dismantling women's rights. I'm now politically homeless and unable to align with any political party as I can't agree with either side. There's a very simplistic view of left wing=good, right wing=bad.

@DorothyZbornakIsAQueen

He is a despicable human being. Full of hate and vitriol.

Having people like him on our side, does nothing to help the cause unfortunately. It's the same as Donald Trump Jr showing his support for JKR. It makes us look like we're 'in the wrong' and makes people think our view are automatically extremely right wing.

Well yes, but only if those people are extraordinarily stupid.

To think the opposite of what bad people think all the time would render one insane.

There are lefties who say the same thing and the reverse logic doesn't apply - that they agree on other things so must be correct on this one. It's almost as if everyone is looking for a justification to hate other people rather than actually engage with the positions held.

[quote Waitwhat23]@DysonSphere indeed. Here in Scotland, it's the 'left wing' political groups who are determinedly dismantling women's rights. I'm now politically homeless and unable to align with any political party as I can't agree with either side. There's a very simplistic view of left wing=good, right wing=bad.[/quote]

I'm in Scotland feel exactly the same.

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