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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Tiktok and Stonewall

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MrPanks · 26/12/2021 14:14

Daily Mail article cites financial contributions from Stonewall to TikTok and the promotion of transgender trend amongst teens.

Tiktok and Stonewall
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Goatsaregreat · 26/12/2021 14:24

Just look at the statistics! These poor children and shame on Stonewall for deliberately targeting children Xmas Angry

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10344445/Children-brainwashed-TikTok-videos-cool-trans-surgery.html

ArabellaScott · 26/12/2021 14:47

More sunlight.

TikTok signed a partnership earlier this year with Stonewall, the controversial lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights charity, to promote this material

That is taxpayers money being used to promote Stonewall to young children. What is the age demographic of TikTok?

Crouton19 · 26/12/2021 17:33

Is there more information on this partnership? The article doesn’t go into any detail. This is the platform which censors videos about human rights abuses in China. Why would tiktok suddenly have a conscience when it comes to transgender matters?

Lamerexo · 26/12/2021 17:38

@ArabellaScott

More sunlight.

TikTok signed a partnership earlier this year with Stonewall, the controversial lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights charity, to promote this material

That is taxpayers money being used to promote Stonewall to young children. What is the age demographic of TikTok?

Tax payers money ? Hmm
SantaClawsServiette · 26/12/2021 17:47

@Crouton19

Is there more information on this partnership? The article doesn’t go into any detail. This is the platform which censors videos about human rights abuses in China. Why would tiktok suddenly have a conscience when it comes to transgender matters?
Which is to say, why would the Chinese government want to promote trans stuff among kids?

I can think of a few reasons, from a propaganda/intellectual warfare perspective.

Lamerexo · 26/12/2021 17:49

@SantaClawsServiette ? The Chinese government were censoring videos on the treatement of Muslims in their concentration camps, nothing to do with transgender content.

Chersfrozenface · 26/12/2021 18:24

Stonewall receives on average around £1 million per year of public money.

Triphazards · 26/12/2021 18:47

@Chersfrozenface

Stonewall receives on average around £1 million per year of public money.
And Stonewall are handing it to an unfriendly foreign power.
SantaClawsServiette · 26/12/2021 18:48

[quote Lamerexo]@SantaClawsServiette ? The Chinese government were censoring videos on the treatement of Muslims in their concentration camps, nothing to do with transgender content.[/quote]
I think you are making the wrong connection here.

The point is that tiktok is owned by the Chinese and as such in many ways functions to accomplish the goals of the Chinese state. Which doesn't like the distribution of negative information about China, but also may be quite happy to stir the pot as far as social coherence in western nations.

MonsignorMirth · 26/12/2021 18:49

I would be interested in seeing the wording of whatever this "partnership". The article conveys very little factual information (which is why I wouldn't normally rely on the DM without any link to primary source) other than the existence of a "partnership".

Presumably if the DM had sight of it, it would be quoted.

Is it just that Stonewall use Tiktok as another social media outlet, like any org does with Twitter, IG etc? If so, that is hardly news.

EricCartmansGoatee · 26/12/2021 18:58

I can think of a few reasons, from a propaganda/intellectual warfare perspective.

I think you're right. We are seeing the impact on our younger generations as a result of this. It really isn't good. I've made the decision to get rid of tiktok out of our house. I know it won't be popular with the kids but it needs to happen.

ArabellaScott · 26/12/2021 19:10

To answer my own question, the largest age demographic for TikTok users seems to be 10-19, at least in the US.

www.statista.com/statistics/1095186/tiktok-us-users-age/

(It's banned in this house, no way I'd let my children access such a toxic site).

EricCartmansGoatee · 26/12/2021 19:13

It seems as though in China they have a similar app to TikTok called Douyin, but with differences. Douyin has parental controls built into it so kids are time limited on how they use it. Kids who use Douyin will also be shown educational content including “novel and interesting popular science experiments, exhibitions in museums and galleries, beautiful scenery across the country, explanations of historical knowledge, and so on,” This doesn't happen with TikTok, where it has quickly become a platform away from the eyes of parents for youngsters to share misinformation, and for abusive surgeons to peddle their business in gender reaffirming surgery. Amongst other things. TikTok is so dangerous for our young people.

MrPanks · 26/12/2021 19:16

@MonsignorMirth

Tiktok and Stonewall
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EricCartmansGoatee · 26/12/2021 19:18

(It's banned in this house, no way I'd let my children access such a toxic site).

My daughter started with it when it was musically which seemed quite harmless. But it's been taken over / merged with TikTok and it's definitely not harmless any more. Getting rid of TikTok would solve many problems for our young people.

EricCartmansGoatee · 26/12/2021 19:18

MrPanks I think that pretty much sums up much of the danger.

MonsignorMirth · 26/12/2021 19:27

[quote MrPanks]@MonsignorMirth[/quote]
Is that showing a link to the wording of the partnership? Could you please paste the link as I'm on my rubbish phone Smile

Lamerexo · 26/12/2021 19:33

@SantaClawsServiette very conspiracy theorist-y! TBH TikTok has never been a child friendly app since musically, with adults promoting their OF, thirst traps, explicit dances, songs & more. Any parents who let their young children on it freely are damaging them. This isn't a matter of transgender creators 'brainwashing' children at all.

delurkasaurus · 26/12/2021 19:43

The Online Safety Bill has a Committee. TikTok was discussed, and they spoke as well:

committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/2934/pdf/

Ofcom: "Enormous amounts of time are spent by children under the age of 13 on TikTok and so on. Our data suggests that half of 10 year-olds in the UK are on TikTok; whether they have accounts or not, they are on TikTok. We have to get real about some of that."

Ofcom and the Chair

"Ofcom: ...it is about how users are able to make things more viral, and about how the companies encourage that through things like recommended algorithms and so on, as you say. In the end, the test for me is: what is it like from the user perspective? That is the thing that we really need to keep coming back to, and to shift the culture on to. It is not, “I’m here in a company, I’ve designed it this way and this should all be fine”. When you put it together and you are a user, particularly a younger or more vulnerable user, what do you experience when all those features come together? That is the real test for me about whether or not harm is being properly managed.

The Chair: I think that is right in terms of what the user sees, but it has to be clear as well in the definition of this. The role of the algorithm is not just allowing other users to expose their content to a bigger audience, although that does happen. There is clearly evidence of people understanding how you game the system through groups and advertising to drive content through it. The platforms are also making decisions themselves as to the content they think is likely to have a bigger audience. In the case of a company like TikTok, it is doing that purely on data profiling rather than even initial social interaction.

Ofcom: I agree with what you are saying there; absolutely."

EricCartmansGoatee · 26/12/2021 19:46

very conspiracy theorist-y!

Calling something a conspiracy doesn't mean it isn't true. At the very least, kids in China don't have access to this. Not in the same way. Their content is much more educational and controlled. Why is that?

This isn't a matter of transgender creators 'brainwashing' children at all.

The problem with the platform is that its ripe for spreading misinformation. Whether it's the likes of stonewall etc / other companies / or the young people themselves.

EricCartmansGoatee · 26/12/2021 19:56

When we have surgeons advertising their gender affirming services on a platform for children and young people, in super jolly child friendly language. For something so serious. This is a huge problem.

twitter.com/HormoneHangover/status/1360596992427249667?t=FXygaTUcOw4ul9hUIY9peg&s=08

OhHolyJesus · 26/12/2021 19:57

TikTok videos are shared across Instagram and Twitter which both have a minimum age of 13.

16-17 is the average age of a child developing anorexia. Remember the pro-Ana cult-like Imagine? what happens to even younger, more impressionable minds.

Study on the impact of the internet/pro-Ana websites on eating disorders:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7926357/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-ana

EricCartmansGoatee · 26/12/2021 20:00

13 has to be too young to access these platforms. It's right at the time when this influence is really going to impact on them.

SantaClawsServiette · 26/12/2021 20:07

[quote Lamerexo]@SantaClawsServiette very conspiracy theorist-y! TBH TikTok has never been a child friendly app since musically, with adults promoting their OF, thirst traps, explicit dances, songs & more. Any parents who let their young children on it freely are damaging them. This isn't a matter of transgender creators 'brainwashing' children at all.[/quote]
I can see why you'd say that, but it really isn't a conspiracy to say that China, the state, has a different kind of relationship with large Chinese companies than we are accustomed to. This is why for example that governments in the west have been so concerned with security issues with regard to buying technology from China. It's a real and serious issue.

China is a country that knows how to use its media to it's advantage, and all large nations like this have elements of the military/state dedicated to information warfare.

China is quite happy to have a platform like Tictok involved in promoting any topic that ill create social dissension in western society, and gender ideology is one of those things that will create dissension.

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