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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'Women's Health - Let's talk about it' - Survey

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Justme56 · 23/12/2021 11:36

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/womens-health-strategy-call-for-evidence/outcome/results-of-the-womens-health-lets-talk-about-it-survey

Whilst I am aware that another user has highlighted this with reference to an article in the Guardian and the importance of the collection of data based on sex, I am making a separate post with the actual survey because, in my opinion, it covers a massive amount of information about how women are treated in many aspects of society. Information on sex education, toilet provision, work & careers etc.

I have only read bits but some of the comments are distressing (yes it comes with a 'trigger' warning). Also reference to 'ciswomen'.

Even the demographics tell us something. the 5 topics most respondents want DHSC to prioritise are gynaecological conditions; fertility etc, the menopause; menstrual health & mental health. This varies slightly be demographics for example black respondents were 5 times more likely to select diabetes for inclusion in the strategy than other ethnic groups. When it comes to gender identity (people who identity with a gender different from their sex registered at birth - which I am assuming mean trans men), the health impacts of violence against women and girls featured in their top 5 rather than the menopause. Compared with cisgender respondents, we also found that they were 4 times more likely to select autism and neurodiversity for inclusion in the strategy, and 3 times more likely to select disability - all interesting information.

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RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 30/12/2021 13:13

@thequeerteacher

Just to clarify the word trans is an adjective that helps describe someone's gender identity, and it should be treated like other adjectives. So trans woman or trans man instead of transwoman or transman.
@thequeerteacher

Just to clarify that’s a faith based ideological position you’re expressing there, not a neutral, objective fact.

You believe it’s to be right. I believe it’s misogynistic bullshit.

Trans is not an adjective here: in this case it’s a prefix that completely changes the meaning of the word it’s being applied to.

Here are some examples of how actual adjectives work with the word “woman”, and how trans is not in that category:

Tall woman: adult human female who is tall
Young woman: adult human female who is young
Wise woman: adult human female who is wise

All these adjectives are used to tell us more about someone we know to be an adult human female.

Transwoman: adult human male who “identifies as”/wishes to be seen as a woman, ie that which he is (of necessity) not.

It tells us that this person is not of the group “adult human females” but wishes to appropriate their material reality as his identity, and he’s using his male privilege and power to do so, backed up by a fundamentally misogynistic, patriarchal society that is predicated upon catering to male demands at the expense of female people.

You want an imaginary space in there because it bolsters your pretence that “trans” is an adjective that describes the noun “woman” in the same way that “tall”, “young”, “wise” etc do; it bolsters your pretence that some adult human males “are” in some way women, that that nebulous indefinable concept of “gender identity” is more important, more fundamental than the reality of biological sex.

(This despite the fact that biological sex is the basis on which the male sex class has oppressed and continues to oppress the female sex class since time immemorial, and if we no longer have meaningful terms with which to name and analyse that oppression, that oppression will only be perpetuated and intensified.)

Many pp here refuse to put that space in precisely because they will not collude in pretending that any adult human males can actually be a subset of adult human females. They are not interested in your sleight of hand.

I personally refuse to use the term either with or without the space because I won’t collude in naming male people with a word that even contains the word “woman”, so damaging is that practice to the interests of actual women. Biologically male trans people are male. Not women of any kind.

HTH.

GoatsAndBarley · 30/12/2021 13:19

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark

Good post. Summed up perfectly. 👏👏👏

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 30/12/2021 16:45

Thank you Goats Wine

Soontobe60 · 30/12/2021 17:39

@RoaringtoLangClegintheDark

Excellent explanation. I may just quote parts of it to my very woke daughter who seems to think that saying TWAW is being kind.

RepentMotherfucker · 30/12/2021 21:19

They know; they just avoid using the correct construction because they won't refer trans women as "women" and trans men likewise, so they prefer the construction that implies it's an entirely separate word.

I started there but now I just use TW as then I don't have to use 'woman' at all. I just hated being complicit in a lie. I am trying to think 'What Would Posie Do?' in 2022.

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