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Jo Bartosch article in MoS on Graham Linehan exclusion

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Abitofalark · 19/12/2021 01:41

The ever excellent Jo Bartosch on how GL / Glinner is being frozen out of a musical of his own creation, Father Ted, by producers' fears of trans extremists getting it shut down.

This is reminiscent of Rose, the dancer choreographer being shut out of her own company by young dancers, and JK Rowling being denounced by her young actors and her name almost erased from her own creation's film by a Hollywood company:

"Hat Trick had asked Mr Linehan to remain silent on the subject, but he had found it difficult.
‘The warnings from the production company became more insistent,’ explained Mr Linehan.
‘After a while, I had a very funny meeting with a top public relations guy at the company.
‘I’d hoped it might help improve my image. Instead he said: “Graham, I have to tell you, there are some people in the office who won’t work for you”.’
Mr Linehan added: ‘In almost every company I’ve worked with there are now young employees who are ferociously authoritarian.
‘They seem to think that unless you believe the same things as them then you have no right to take part in society.’ "

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10324511/Father-Ted-creator-claims-trans-zealots-forcing-stage-version-show.html

It's interesting to see Jo Bartosch moving up from Spiked to the mainstream press, at first to The Times where she had an article recently and now to the mass circulation Mail on Sunday. Similarly Julie Bindel has made the Mail very recently. Good on them.

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DrBlackbird · 20/12/2021 11:46

@senua

“Graham, I have to tell you, there are some people in the office who won’t work for you." I feel very old. In my day the boss told you what to do (within the confines of the job description) and if you wanted to keep the job, you did it. Since when did employees get to pick and choose which bit of the job they feel like doing?Confused Hattrick should be going down the improvement plan / disciplinary route.
The response to employees not wishing to work on producing stage productions is 'bye bye then'

We live in a strange world now. Authority seems to no longer reside in expert knowledge or creative individuals or employers or established democratic institutions. This example feels to be just one of many arenas where emotion and manufactured moral outrage trumps all other arguments or evidence. At its heart, it’s not about the putative issue to hand, whatever that issue is. It’s about who holds power, who doesn’t but wants to, and about the strategies to gain and hold power such as through the creation and control of a dominant narrative.

What confuses me is how easily power is ceded.

RuggerHug · 20/12/2021 16:26

@senua

“Graham, I have to tell you, there are some people in the office who won’t work for you." I feel very old. In my day the boss told you what to do (within the confines of the job description) and if you wanted to keep the job, you did it. Since when did employees get to pick and choose which bit of the job they feel like doing?Confused Hattrick should be going down the improvement plan / disciplinary route.
They have senua
GrandmaMazur · 20/12/2021 17:18

Would it be worth writing to Hat Trick? Think I will

CandidaAlbicans2 · 20/12/2021 18:18

[quote Apollo441]@glinner
Don't you dare remove yourself. You have 100 times the support of the TRAs. Are they seriously saying that Father Ted fans are woke and wouldn't go to the show? Fuck off with that. If you aren't involved I won't go and neither would any of my friends. Seriously most of the Father Ted generation are in their 40's now and have no truck with gender ideology. TRA wokesters in their early 20's are not your audience and I doubt they are the ones with the money to shell out £60 for a theatre ticket. I'd be happy to run a gauntlet of TRA supporters trying to picket the theatre. Infact it is sort of in the spirit of Father Ted. Stand your ground. This is bullshit.[/quote]
Totally agree. My first thoughts were that I couldn't see the TRAs being Father Ted fans, so won't have bought tickets anyway, and that if they protested outside the theatre, so what! If they cause a nuisance phone the Police, otherwise ignore them.

@Glinner, I also just wanted to give a huge thanks for all you've been doing for women and girls, and I'm so sorry you have to put up with so much shit Flowers

GoodieMoomin · 20/12/2021 19:11

I won't be seeing this show if Glinner is bullied out, and I don't imagine many gender identity theorists (GITs) would want to see it either way

Mochudubh · 21/12/2021 18:23

It's all part of the same thing as the "bring your whole self to work" bollocks. If it's got fuck all to do with work leave it at the door.

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