Dr Stock to be on LB C tonight

[minsmum]

Just heard she is going to be on Iain Dale, I think he said at 8 and taking calls

Excellent show so far. Very calm. Very reasoned. I have messaged in and offered my support.

Currently dealing with a "The declaration is extremism, will you condemn it!!" caller, she's so calm!

She is really calm isn’t it. I don’t know how she is doing it.

I was listen as I picked my eldest up in the car.

She said, and I quote "errr I don't think you should be listening to this mum, it always makes you a bit shouty".

"I don't want to be shut down because I am a woman."

Good last caller.

Listening. She is clear and concise, the trans women calling in as usual are 'hysterical' and sorry but it's so obvious who they are the moment they open their mouths. Not one of them is saying 'yes I get it' let women have their space and we will have separate.

I'm normally a big fan of Ian Dale however am a bit disappointed in him tonight. However am a big fan of Kathleen Stock, what a big loss she is to our educational system.

Well that was just fab.

I always listen to Ian dale at this time on a Thursday as its on when I'm driving back from a regular commitment. I'm AMAZED at how balanced and supportive he was of KS as his guest.

I listened to the same time slot when he had the two well known TW personalities on a few weeks ago and he absolutely fawned over them and condemned the 'TERFS'. I thought tonight's slot was going to be an ambush.

Whilst there wasn't any fawning tonight, and he completly failed to appreciate how at risk many women feel going about their daily lives, he was very obviously increasingly irritated by the numerous TW and other callers 'whatabboutering'.

As usual KS was calm, balanced, reasonable, clear and dealt very well everything thrown at her.

Not one of them is saying 'yes I get it' let women have their space and we will have separate.

No, because apparently they're already using women-only spaces and we haven't noticed so why are we complaining now?

'I'm AMAZED at how balanced and supportive he was of KS as his guest.'

Really good to hear. He had been inconsistent on this issue previously

Yes @RubyTrees, the problem is that women are conditioned to be kind. We all know when a transwoman is in our space, they like to think the fact we don't say anything means we don't know, but we do, we see them but just 'get on with it'. It's so telling that they just don't get it and take it as acceptance. Speaking for myself, I don't accept it and am now more confident at calling it out.

A caller tonight asked KS how they viewed them, KS said basically you are born natal male. The fact this person was then apoplectic says it all, delusional.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/watch-in-full-kathleen-stock-speaks-to-lbc/

Don't think it's all here but quite long section.

I know he's a Tory but I do love Iain Dale. On the podcast he does with Jacqui Smith they have discussed this briefly. Jacqui is very TWAW Iain is more nuanced. He's a great host and interviewer. And goes without saying Kathleen was great.

www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/episodes/62NgjU2ukqGiNVAf4objyKuw/

Here from an hour in.

Iain Dale did support Joanna Cherry when she was having an awful time in the SNP and Jacqui Smith remained silent. It’s interesting he had KS on as from the podcast it sounds like they try and avoid this topic as much as possible, though he has no truck with announcing your pronouns etc.

Thanks for flagging this up, I have just listened.

I am somewhat in awe of Kathleen's ability to respond in such a calm and measured way, it certainly shows up the tactics of those who disagree with her stance.

For my own future reference I think I might look up recent incidences of inappropriate male behaviour against women in women's spaces. I think she did well to point out that TW are considerably safer than women when it comes to murders in the UK.

I just listened to a few clips on Twitter. The woman's patience is phenomenal.

She quite clearly gets immensely frustrated over the manipulative arguments that purposely ignore everything she says.

(Paraphrasing).

KS: I'm not saying it's about being trans, I'm saying it's about being male.

Caller: oh my God you think all trans women are predators.

KS: No. I've never said that. Have you read my book? It's about being male.

Caller: OMG. You think all transwomen are predators.

Etc, etc.

Frankly, it frequently comes across to me as though they genuinely can't hear what she's saying.

It's a little bit like the way some men get very defensive if you talk about male violence.

And you have to start NAMALTing.

But she's clearly really weary with the incessant repetition.

Poor woman.

Wonderful woman (and I disagree with her over quite a bit!)

Yes. She is the liberal face of feminism, is nowhere near radicalised (yet). And yet even her calm logic is subject to repeated lies and screeches of literal violence!

Her years lecturing stand her in very good stead when repeating the obvious

twitter.com/void_if_removed/status/1471746736674717696

"Women are allowed to have their own things"

#WAATHTOT

I really feel for Kathleen. It must be absolutely crazy making to be in a situation where you say objective, established scientific facts and you're called a bigot. She looked actually pained to have to tell this person that they were biologically male, and that they can't change sex!

I do think, however, that she can't entirely hide behind the argument of 'it's males who are a risk, and a potential danger, not trans women.' This is because she thinks that trans women are males. So the argument quite correctly goes 'males are a risk to women. Trans women are males. So trans women are a risk to women.' I do take the point that she isn't saying that ONLY trans women pose a risk to women, which is what the caller seems to interpret Kathleen as saying. But she does believe that ALL males, including trans women, pose a risk.

But she does believe that ALL males, including trans women, pose a risk

I didn't interpret what she said like that.

IIRC she said that because SOME men pose a risk, safeguarding requires ALL men to be excluded to minimise exposure to those who ARE a risk. Decent men are not offended by being kept out of women's spaces, they know that it is a requirement to keep women and girls safe from those in their sex class who ARE predators.
Therefore it follows that because all TW are male and because some males pose a risk, all TW should be excluded from women's spaces for safeguarding purposes.

And without meaning to cause offence (although I fear I am about to) I would think that those TW who are genuinely just wanting to go about their lives would understand this and NOT be offended by the exclusion as they realise that most women are at a physical disadvantage against most males. Those TW who are all 'I demand access, it's my right, I don't care how you feel about it' are demonstrating a somewhat masculine, entitled behaviour but in the end don't care about how intimidated the women in those supposed single sex spaces feel, as long as they get what they want.

In fact, I think it was Kristina Harrison who said using a gender neutral toilet (ie enclosed unit with handwash basin like the accessible toilets) didn't diminish her sense of who she was in any way. She would rather that then make women feel uncomfortable. I'll see if I can find the quote - but that is what I am rather clumsily trying to get across

"Furthermore, my dignity, presentation, safety and rights are completely unaffected by choosing (where possible) to use a safe, quality, unisex or so-called gender-neutral toilet rather than a female toilet. It’s simultaneously possible to respect the right of women to single sex space as well as respect our own dignity, safety and privacy as transwomen. Gender Identity cannot trump sexual reality (or even sex-based group identity)."

From paragraph 16 of this medium article

medium.com/@tinaharrison06/my-statement-in-support-of-maya-forstaters-claim-for-belief-discrimination-f09438a23bfc

I listened to this no progress was made caller after caller men claiming they really couldn’t get their head around what a man was or a women and so it didn’t matter as what makes a man a man anyway?