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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sex as a social construct

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IamAporcupine · 13/12/2021 17:52

I was discussing the biological reality of sex with someone who seems quite keen on J Butler et al.

She started with 'sex is a social construct' and when enquired a bit more said that biological sex does exist, but what it is socially constructed is the 'category' of sex. That is, that humans observed the differences and decided to categorise that observation (and not a different one) and that this is what is socially constructed (and politically orientated).

I somehow intituvely think this does not make sense, but cannot put it in words. Can anyone help me please?

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ScrollingLeaves · 17/12/2021 22:31

I just heard this American 1925 song by chance. It is very interesting to see this was nearly 100 years ago. It is about masculine and feminine gender roles in fact rather than Transgenderism but it makes you sense how there might have been a progression to the current trends.
Masculine Women! Feminine Men! song lyrics
www.protestsonglyrics.net/LGBT_Songs/Masculine-Women-Feminine-Men.phtml

Song: Masculine Women! Feminine Men!

Song: Masculine Women! Feminine Men!
Lyrics: Edgar Leslie(3)

Music: James V. Monaco(4)
Year: 1925(1)
Genre:
Country: USA

Hey! Hey! Women are going mad, today!
Hey! Hey! Fellers are just as bad, I'll say!
Go anywhere, just stand and stare,
You'll say they're bugs when you look at the clothes they wear.

Masculine Women, Feminine Men,
which is the rooster which is the hen?
It's hard to tell 'em apart today.
And SAY...
Sister is busy learning to shave,
Brother just loves his permanent wave,
It's hard to tell 'em apart today.
HEY! HEY!
Girls were girls and boys were boys when I was a tot,
Now we don't know who is who or even what’s what.
Knickers and trousers, baggy and wide,
Nobody knows who's walking inside.
Those Masculine Women, Feminine Men

Masculine Women. Feminine Men
which is the rooster which is the hen?
It's hard to tell 'em apart today.
And SAY...
Auntie is smoking, rolling her own,
Uncle is always buying cologne.
It's hard to tell 'em apart today.
HEY! HEY!
You go and give your girl a kiss in the hall,
But instead you find you're kissing her brother Paul.
Mama's got a sweater up to her chin,
Papa's got a girtle holding him in.
Those Masculine Women, Feminine Men

Stop, Look, Listen and you'll agree... with me.
Things are not what they used to be. you'll see.
You say hello to Uncle Joe,
Then look again and you find it's your Aunti Flo.
This song was originally posted on protestsonglyrics.net
Masculine Women, Feminine Men
which is the rooster which is the hen?
It's hard to tell 'em apart today.
And SAY...
Wifey is playing billiards and pool,
Hubby is dressing kiddies for school.
It's hard to tell 'em apart today.
HEY! HEY!
Ever since the Prince of Wales in dresses was seen,
What does he intend to be the King or the Queen?
Grandmother buys those tailor-made clothes,
Grandfather tries to smell like a rose.
Those Masculine Women, Feminine Men

Notes:

1 - Recorded on Columbia, #569D by Frank Harris (Irving KK

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