Remember that site for sex education for older children?

[CheeseMmmm]

I just had a look because explaining to DH about queer theory, that certain things all stem from it.

I've been ranting at home for years, about this or that. Anyway something came up and he said well it's probably (reasonable though unlikely explanation for something in universities) and I said I understand why you think that BUT these things are all linked, they all come from queer theory.

I realised I had mentioned it, but to someone who isn't super interested the things I say OMFG about get yes that's terrible. But I realised he didn't really get they were all coming from, part of one unified area, and being pushed by the same people and groups.

Eg he was dubious eg about gender stuff and sex work is work being linked. I told him that for many years starting about I dunno 6 years ago. SWERF and T*RF was s very common phrase. That these two totally different issues have always been linked.

And went on to tell him the other areas (that I know about) that are of strong interest to queer theorists, and this is why I'm so concerned and frankly freaked out.

Because it's fundamentally about eroding boundaries to do with sex, destabilising the attitudes, laws, social certainty around right/wrong around various things to do with sex, muddying language, all the things.

It does sound a bit conspiracy theory but it's happening in plain sight. So really fast it's. Oh fuck. This is really appalling.

I thought to look at a resource for children 14 up that had all sorts of what the fuck stuff. And got a lot of attention on here a couple years back. To show him that it really IS that bad. Used to get recommended by orgs some schools etc not sure about now.

Some stuff has gone but there's some new stuff.

I read a fair few pages to him. He was... Couldn't get to grips that it was real. Kept reminding him 14 and up.

Oh god that's an essay sorry I always do that!

Here's a page I found eye opening. That explained a lot, pieces of puzzle falling into place.

Page on gender. Saying to children the exact opposite of what adults are told.

Now I understand why lots of trans ID children and why so many of them are female and shocker it's exactly what we've said all along. They are being told it's about comfort with extreme stereotypes.

www.bishuk.com/about-you/whats-your-gender/

It's worth following Justin on twitter and seeing the types of stuff he follows and promotes.

That one man has had such influence in schools is appalling.

Thanks for that link, CheeseMmmm. It’s depressing that it pushes the same dreary old sex stereotypes that feminists were opposing 50 years ago. I thought they were dying out by the 80s, but the trans lobby has revived them with a vengeance.

Also, Most people would say that they had a penis and testicles or a clitoris and vagina, however many people are in the middle of this spectrum with how their bodies are configured.

WTAF? No they are not. But clever use of teenagers’ anxiety about their changing bodies, and their fear of not being normal. Yes, there’s a range of size/shape in women’s genitals, and in men’s. But no way are they on a spectrum. Only a persuasive, sympathetic, lying voice can convince a teenager her large clitoris is actually a penis.

Even the more 'mainstream' education resource providers like Brooke and the PSHE Association are similarly bad. The PSHE teaching sector is completely captured.

What a totally depressing website! If I'd read that at 14 I would have been mind-blown. Misleading information about sex and gender which appears to come from their philosophy! And these people have multiple qualifications/books published etc
Worrying

That website is fucking awful! WTAF.

I’ve only even read the ‘gender scales’ part.
I really wish people would fuck off with these sexist stereotypes.
What a load of bollocks.

Look at the pages about sex.

The contrast between the 'vanilla sex' info and the ones for rough sex , kink. Is eye opening.

Essentially the latter two are the norms and 'vanilla' is unusual.

What's more worrying is the man who writes is also manages a fb RSE group for teachers.

Teachers rely a lot on these groups. You only need to see how many are in twinkl groups and even slt groups.

Wowsers, the tone and context of that whole website is awful. Just read the very informative article on the history of why penis in vagina has been considered default. Spoiler alert: it's because of jealous priests. Nothing to do with reproduction 🙄

(Ps I do obviously realise that the church is responsible for a lot of negative attitudes towards sex in general. But really, no mention of sexual reproduction?!)

Anyone look at vanilla blurb, kink, rough?

This is 14+.

Spoiler-

Kink, rough. Standard. Why it's so great. Lists of what can involve.

Vanilla. Unusual, boring, most wouldn't even do because sounds crap.

When this site was first discussed on MN.

And still the same.

It's got no consideration that children aren't adults. At all.
A bit of down with the kids language (which his embarrassingly contrived) amongst all the content which is all ADULT pov. And an adult with a certain angle at that.

It's standard at moment to take this approach to children.

Good example the survey for all schoolchildren in Scotland.

It's disgraceful.
To the extent that it asks loads of questions that are OBVIOUSLY really personal, potentially incredibly upsetting for some (quite a lot of) children.

It's like people who had never been a child, never met a child. And didn't think even once, is this question a bit much? What if a child is being sexually abused, has an eating disorder, etc etc. Nope.

There are questions most adults would blanche at, refuse to answer. Think you can't ask that!
But children well. So worldly, even more so than adults, this is perfect.

On porn:

'I’m not going to name these sites but you probably know what I’m talking about. They usually have the following combination of words: porn, red, x, you, hub, tube, video, porn, and hamster. '

Telling children what to search for is JUST NOT OK.

Scroll down to see guidance on BISH and others here. None if it has gone unnoticed.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/resources-2/factsheets/

More specific link re Bish

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Parents-Guide-to-external-PSHE-RSE-providers.pdf#page7

Thanks leaf.

I believe BISH recently lost durex sponsorship.