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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How trans women are finding safe spaces on Twitch and YouTube

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QueenSue · 09/12/2021 12:50

www.inputmag.com/culture/trans-vtubers-twitch-streaming
Interesting article I came across today. I'm surprised they thought that this videoclip was a good way to represent one of the vtubers being interviewed.

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BoredOfSamphire · 09/12/2021 14:38

I thought this quote was rather buried away:

“Sometimes I got lost in the idealism of my avatar, and it made my dysphoria worse, because I couldn’t match those standards,” Seri admits. “But in the long run, it really helped me.”

ScrollingLeaves · 09/12/2021 14:50

The whole thing is a nightmare fantasy world.

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 09/12/2021 14:59

Good for them. Very few TW pass as women but by designing their own avatars they can feel better about themselves. Better than demanding others agree that they make convincing RL women.

AmIgoinghomeforXmas · 09/12/2021 15:16

I found the comment about using the sites to learn and practice how to present themselves socially as female interesting.
It confirms just how ridiculously gendered our expectations of the sexes is.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 09/12/2021 15:22

The trouble is that these days, safe spaces so often means, echo chambers where no-one ever tells me no or challenges my world view. If TW want that, and can find it without encroaching on sex-based protections, yay for them.

lazylinguist · 09/12/2021 15:48

'Safe spaces' can presumably also be places where troubled people can go and feel safe themselves but also influence potentially younger and nore vulnerable people.

QueenSue · 09/12/2021 16:06

I found the comment about using the sites to learn and practice how to present themselves socially as female interesting.
Yes, it's not going to be a good way to learn because those anime avatars look and act nothing like real life women.

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Franca123 · 09/12/2021 16:55

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 09/12/2021 17:08

I can't help feeling that the way to find out how women do things might be to watch how women do things amnd listen to them, rather that talking with men about how they think women do things.

I do find it sad that "IRL, the process can be costly and time-consuming" is all that is said; nothing about "and terrifying, and painful, and all too likely to have long-term physical and medical consequences". People ought to be warned about those, not given to understand that wish-fulfilment comes easy.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2021 20:27

Indeed.

nauticant · 09/12/2021 20:39

Yes. I keep on seeing references to the "eradication of women" and it seems to me that women, that is the bodies of women, are going to be very useful for a number of purposes for a long time to come. It's about redefining "woman" into a fragmented construct which has no need of the rights that have been accumulated and no desire to keep hold of them.

PerpetualStudent · 09/12/2021 20:43

@nauticant

Yes. I keep on seeing references to the "eradication of women" and it seems to me that women, that is the bodies of women, are going to be very useful for a number of purposes for a long time to come. It's about redefining "woman" into a fragmented construct which has no need of the rights that have been accumulated and no desire to keep hold of them.
You’ve expressed it so well here - it’s the gig economy applied to biology…
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