Water is wet, the sky is blue...but we need research to tell us that women are not more "emotionally turbulent"

[FionaMacCool]

digest.bps.org.uk/2021/12/02/women-are-no-more-emotionally-turbulent-than-men/

This came through is my email recently and I am irrationally annoyed about it.

" The team found very little statistical evidence for differences between men and women on any of these measures (in fact, men showed slightly more variability in mood than women). Similarly, there was little evidence that women on oral contraception differed from women not using contraception.
This has significant consequences in research settings. As the team notes, cisgender women are being excluded from research because of a perception that their moods are unstable "

This may be the wrong forum for this discussion, so let me know and I will ask MN to move it.

The use of "cis" and that last sentence, in particular, leaves with me rage.

Seriously, I had a conversation with a paramedic earlier this week, about the different presentations of women with cardiac issues. They said they weren't aware of any difference.
I had a conversation with a Psychologist last month, about the presentation of girls with ASD, and that the "gold standard" ASD diagnostic tools, are developed in a research cohort that is primarily male. So tools to diagnose ASD catch males with ASD because they're developed with males.

Surely, surely, in this day and age, everyone is aware of the structural in systemic expulsions that women experience?
Or, is it that my eyes have been opened so wide by the wise women here?

Surely, surely, in this day and age, everyone is aware of the structural in systemic expulsions that women experience?

They are not.

This has significant consequences in research settings. As the team notes, cisgender women are being excluded from research because of a perception that their moods are unstable

fgs why are they excluding females on the grounds of their gender identity and political belief?

Or are we misgendering and forcibly compelling conformity with the personal political beliefs of the researchers on half the human race because of their issues with political intolerance?

Either way there's a court case there.

Most people don't have a fucking clue.

My husband only started to notice it because of how it affects me and me pointing it out. He still misses loads though.

Same, my non woke DP knows more about it than his brocialist TWAW friend.

Can't see sex?
Can't see sexism...

cisgender women are being excluded from research because of a perception that their moods are unstable

I’m not touching “cisgender” there but have these people even met any men?

Have they ever met any of who they would no doubt term "transgender women"?

Whenever I hear about women being 'more emotional' or ' more sensitive' than men I immediately think about the millions of incidences of men killing someone because they lost their temper. How many times are we told some male criminal deserves leniency because he just couldn't control himself? The only time society admits to men being over-emotional is when it's to men's advantage.

Exactly, women cry, and that's to be despised. Men get angry, and that's understandable.

" Whenever I hear about women being 'more emotional' or ' more sensitive' than men I immediately think about the millions of incidences of men killing someone because they lost their temper. How many times are we told some male criminal deserves leniency because he just couldn't control himself? "

Excellent point Esma, I hadn't thought of it like that.

I read something that said somehow men have managed to make everyone think anger isn't an emotion, so therefore women are the emotional ones and not them. It made a lot of sense.

As I’ve mentioned on here before, my friends genuinely think there is little difference between men and women (despite struggling with their relationships and dating experiences with typical male behaviours and talking at length about them.) they were shocked I thought that no men should ever be in female prisons, and didn’t agree that men had totally different offending patterns. It was totally barmy. I felt like I’d stepped into the twilight zone. Two grown women who had recently just finished talking about the Sarah Everard case could and would not see what that were saying.

As PP have observed, the violent crime stats demonstrate unequivocally that men are far more emotional than women.

@FionaMacCool

" Whenever I hear about women being 'more emotional' or ' more sensitive' than men I immediately think about the millions of incidences of men killing someone because they lost their temper. How many times are we told some male criminal deserves leniency because he just couldn't control himself? "

Excellent point Esma, I hadn't thought of it like that.

Agreed…that is a fine point to make

It’s annoyed me for decades, this myth that women are more moody and emotional than men.

Very rarely have I had to walk on eggshells around a woman to avoid upsetting her. Sadly, too many times to count with men.

@ShrillSiren

I read something that said somehow men have managed to make everyone think anger isn't an emotion, so therefore women are the emotional ones and not them. It made a lot of sense.

Except that anger is very much seen as an (inappropriate) emotion when manifested in women...? See also the specific stereotype of the "angry black woman".

Anyone who thinks that men are not emotional only has to observe them at a football match.

Seriously, I had a conversation with a paramedic earlier this week, about the different presentations of women with cardiac issues. They said they weren't aware of any difference.

I've had these conversations with my mum's GP, an A&E junior doctor and a cardiologist. They just look at me blankly. Raised troponin and all the other symptoms of a heart attack but because no chest pain apparently it couldn't have been one. Textbook female symptoms....

Bang on GrumpyPanda.
Anger is not allowed in women- I am not black, but I imagine that it must be doubly infuriating to be angry and black and a woman... your voice is utterly negated.

As for being told to calm down, when I am utterly calm but disagreeing with/being assertive with a man.......

@DogsDinner

It’s annoyed me for decades, this myth that women are more moody and emotional than men.

Very rarely have I had to walk on eggshells around a woman to avoid upsetting her. Sadly, too many times to count with men.

I've worked in offices that were mainly men and seemed to spend most of my day anticipating and managing mood swings and outbusts. IME men are allowed to be way more emotional that women.

Testerical.