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WPATH 8 guidelines out for consultation ..........

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Imnobody4 · 08/12/2021 20:10

I think maybe the whole ediface is crumbling. They seem to be championing castration cults now. Male to eunuch under the trans umbrella.

A global health body setting standards of care for transgender people is seeking to include men with castration fetishes under the transgender umbrella, and links to a disturbing site hosting written child pornography in its guidebook.

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) released its newly-issued Standards of Care (SoC8) on December 2. The document details WPATH’s intention to include men who seek out castration, also known as eunuchs, as part of the transgender community.

4w.pub/trans-health-authority-cites-castration-fetish-site-in-guidelines/

Genspect is also talking about it.

twitter.com/genspect/status/1468207946790326273?t=GAWFLrqIaS_cmViTtJD_9g&s=19

www.wpath.org/soc8

WPATH 8  guidelines out for consultation ..........
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Thingybob · 09/12/2021 01:17

I started a thread on these draft guidelines a few days ago as I was so disappointed by the content

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4417692-WPATH-SOC8?msgid=113020525#113020525

I naively thought that the promise of evidence based standards, the recent back peddling by several high profile WPATH members and the fact that 'international experts' had been working on these standards for the last 3/4 years would mean something more sensible.

Sadly I do not see much evidence, I see numerous quotes and personal opinions then cherry picking, or partial reporting, of studies to reinforce a general theme of hormones and surgery for everyone on demand.

There is also a huge expansion in the populations/demographics covered by these standards of care, including those identifying as non binary, intersex individuals, eunuchs and prisoners.

My worry is who will pick up these latest SOC, decide that they are 'international best practice' and adopt them. Will the NHS/GIDS do it again? The current service specification dictating how GIDS is run and the treatment pathway it provides is lots of cut and paste from WPATHs SOC 7

Thingybob · 09/12/2021 01:22

For anyone who hasn't looked at the draft SOC, I thought you might enjoy the following quote which explains why transgender people require specialist contraceptive advice.

Gender diverse individuals who currently have a penis and testicles may engage in sexual activity with individuals who have a uterus, ovaries, and tubes of any gender. Gender diverse people who have a penis and testicles can produce sperm even while on gender-affirming hormones (i.e.,estrogen), and although semen parameters are diminished among those who are currently using or who have previously used gender-affirming hormones, azoospermia is not complete and sperm inactivity is not totally suppressed(Adeleye, Reid, et al., 2019; Jindarak et al., 2018; Kent et al., 2018). Therefore, contraception needs to be considered if pregnancy is to be avoided in penis-in-vagina sexual activity between a person with a uterus, ovaries, and tubes and one witha penis and testicles,irrespective of the use of gender-affirming hormones by either partner. Currently, contraceptive methods available for useby the sperm-producing partner are primarily mechanical barriers (i.e.,external condoms, internal condoms),permanent sterilization (i.e.,vasectomy), andgender-affirming surgery (e.g.,orchiectomy, which also results in sterilization). Gender expansive contraceptive counseling that considers sperm producing, egg producing, and gestating partners (as relevant) is recommended.

TurquoiseBaubles · 09/12/2021 01:48

You mean men and women having sex should use contraceptives to avoid pregnancy? No shit Sherlock.

SunflowersInTheShade · 09/12/2021 07:20

So Sex matters?

EricCartmansUnderpants · 09/12/2021 08:53

Males and females planning sex need contraception to avoid pregnancy.

🤣

What a surprise. Glad those guidelines are there to explain to people that it's not possible to change their sex...

Dont they teach anything of value in school these days?

Helleofabore · 09/12/2021 09:04

Gosh thingybob!!

What a mess of word salad! We should keep this as a reference for those who support the dehumanisation of women to body parts.

It certainly clarified why common, old plain language needs to be kept. I fell asleep halfway through deciphering that one.

Imnobody4 · 09/12/2021 09:56

Sorry Thingybob didn't spot your thread which is well worth reading. I'm hoping their credibility is declining with professionals is declining.

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NancyDrawed · 09/12/2021 10:16

Gender expansive contraceptive counseling that considers sperm producing, egg producing, and gestating partners (as relevant) is recommended

Gender
expansive
contraceptive
counselling.

Or to simplify - regardless of your gender identity or gender presentation, if you are male and you engage in sexual activity with a female (regardless of her gender identity and presentation) you need to look at contraception in the same way as every other male/female couple.

DrDinosaur · 09/12/2021 14:56

These 'guidelines' are a load of bollocks.

We need a proper NICE review of the evidence on treatment for transgender patients, and a proper cost/benefit analysis. The NHS is stretched, and can't afford to continue paying for treatments that at best don't improve, and at worst are highly damaging to patient's mental and/or physical health.

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