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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'BBC 98 Women 2021' - heading on a blog post about the BBC

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Abitofalark · 08/12/2021 00:30

I was tickled by this headline on a blog about the BBC. Perhaps we could compile a '98' list of the best headlines of the year. How about that, BBC?

The blog post goes on 'And I was just going to post that when I saw a Spectator tweet saying:
"By including transwomen in that 100 Women list, the BBC is siding with those who argue that “transwomen are women”.'
isthebbcbiased.blogspot.com/2021/12/bbc-98-women-2021.html

An article in the Mail Online that I've just seen has the more straightforward:
"BBC includes trans women among list of 100 'most inspiring and influential' women of 2021"

It continues, though:
"Transgender women have been included in the BBC 100 Women list 'many times' since its launch in 2013, according to the broadcaster. ..."

It's quite amusing that it adds, about a photo showing four from the list: "None of the women pictured are transgender."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10285079/BBC-includes-trans-women-list-100-inspiring-influential-women-2021.html

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ScrollingLeaves · 08/12/2021 15:41

Am I right in thinking there were other threads about this- how many? - now gone!?

Or is this a new one because of mentioning the articles?

Abitofalark · 08/12/2021 16:03

I posted this late last night without thinking about the danger of deleted threads. The reason I posted a separate thread was to highlight the heading so that it wouldn't get lost. At that time there was one other thread running, that I knew of.

And the blog post did also bring up the Spectator tweet and a link to James Kirkup's article which I thought was worth highlighting as well. I don't know if anyone noticed that, though someone did subsequently start a separate thread on that. And I saw the Mail Online article at the same time so I mentioned that too.

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Linguini · 08/12/2021 17:25

That Daily Mail article in it's description of life for Women under the Taliban makes for hard reading.

Juxtapose their lives with those of these male transactivists who have also featured in the 100 list, and you really can't help feeling very angry.

We have women listed, suffering, being denied all their basic human entitlements and being beheaded for things like playing sports, because they are "people with a cervix/people who menstruate/people with a vagina/people who can fall pregnant/XX people/people who are the oppressed in patriarchy".

Then we have them listed alongside people with a penis, who are trying their damnedest to assert their dominance over people who are not male, and destroy women's rights.

The BBC are just trolling in the extreme.

Melroses · 08/12/2021 17:32

How many women have there been in each 100 Women list since 2013?

Abitofalark · 08/12/2021 18:01

It's almost unimaginable what is happening to women under the Taliban. It seems not real that this is in our modern world. How can it be? We have all these laws and international institutions and treaties of modern rights and yet it is real.

On that point about the BBC lists, I was thinking about who does the nominating and I believe that the current presenter of Woman's Hour, Emma Barnett was one of them though I can't recall what year that was. I don't know who is on the current panel. Also, Jenni Murray was presenter for most of that time and was involved in announcing these lists and winners and seemed to go along with it. Maybe she was toeing the BBC line or she was just trying to be kind.

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Barbarantia · 08/12/2021 19:56

I also noted that BBC piece on the Taliban education of women and girls www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-59565558?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA.

Zero confusion on what women and girls are, and I don't blame them. The Taliban are definitely targeting a sex and giving it the gender role (postmodern speak translation of stereotype) of staying at home.

It's just cool to be a liberated, emancipated westernised woman or girl. All women are really only ever a generation or two away from this happening to all of us again.

I think a few people are finding the current female comforts very easy to put on and take off again.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/12/2021 15:00

Rosie Kay, the choreographer, should have been one of the missing 2% for her ballet “5 Soldiers” and for her contribution to ballet?

Or have I missed her as part of the list?

( See interview with Janice Turner and Rosie Kay on another thread.)

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