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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UK Consultation on Conversion Therapy - Guidance for your response

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hardtobelieve · 04/12/2021 16:57

www.transgendertrend.com/guide-government-conversion-therapy-consultation/

Excellent guidance here from Transgender Trend to assist in directly responding to the UK Government Conversion Therapy Consultation.
You can cut and paste most of it and/or add you own comments on the link.

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Thethingswedoforlove · 04/02/2022 09:09

@megaz that is what we would all want conversion therapy to mean. But unfortunately there is an agenda for it to mean more than that. And when you look at the wording it definitely could capture any attempt to spend time with a young child confused aboht their body and how they feel towards it to help them become more comfortable in themselves without the need for life altering surgery or medication. Hence this thread: we all want what you want. But we don’t want it to be any more than that and the government are in danger of stumbling into accidentally making things illegal which they probably don’t want to make illegal. Which is why I am speaking to my MP this morning

AnotherLass · 04/02/2022 09:46

Just bumping because this is the last day to fill in the consultation if you haven't.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2022 10:19

@megaz

“Megaz

hardtobelieve
www.transgendertrend.com/guide-government-conversion-therapy-consultation/

Excellent guidance here from Transgender Trend to assist in directly responding to the UK Government Conversion Therapy Consultation.
You can cut and paste most of it and/or add you own comments on the link.”

[megaz] “Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely the gender issue is separate from conversion therapy. From my understanding, conversion therapy is where they try (and fail) to change someone's sexuality. What has that got to do with trans issue? I am a gay male and I want that banned understandably as everyone should be allowed to be straight, bi, gay etc.”

No, megaz, that’s the very problem. If this were just about banning conversion therapy for gay, lesbian and bi-sexual people there would be no issue. Virtually no one would disagree.

What has happened is that being Lesbian, Gay, and Binary have been conflated with being Trans for the purposes of the bill.

Perhaps another poster can better explain and possibly the LGB Alliance has written about this.

It would be terrible if talking therapies were effectively banned in relation to young people who feel they are trans.

This bill is like a Trojan horse for bringing the transgender agenda under the radar until it is fixed in law. But there is too much confusion at present regarding unbiased research, or the legal definitions of the terms used, and the bill is being rushed through on this wrong basis.

Trans should be treated as an entirely separate issue at another stage.

Children and young people who are gender non-conforming need access to talking therapies to explore their feelings of dissonance with their biological sex without instant affirmation, puberty blockers, or a planned progression to surgeries, while they grow up. Many gender non-conforming young people with gender dysphoria may have faced sexual abuse or other traumas, be autistic, feel socially isolated or ‘different’, be gay but have subconsciously taken in homophobia from their family or peers, or even have been influenced by peer pressure into rapid onset dysphoria.

In some cases becoming trans gender even is a way of making a gay child appear heterosexual.

Given the chance for talking therapy, in many cases, gender non-conforming or gender dysphoric children, will desist from being transgender once they are adults. Some will be gay, some not. None will have undergone life changing, damaging interventions.

Should they still feel they are transgender as adults then they will have had the chance to be sure.

PineappleCakes · 04/02/2022 11:32

@megaz
Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely the gender issue is separate from conversion therapy. From my understanding, conversion therapy is where they try (and fail) to change someone's sexuality. What has that got to do with trans issue? I am a gay male and I want that banned understandably as everyone should be allowed to be straight, bi, gay etc.

You're absolutely right, sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender identity and being transgender.

That is the reason why I'm opposing the bill as it is currently proposed - I want conversion therapy banned when it's attempting to change someone's sexuality.

But I want the option of therapy to be available (in fact I think it a necessary step) for people considering and/or undergoing gender transitioning. Therapy can be a source of information and support, an important step along the path of transitioning especially before and alongside medical interventions.

The proposed bill wrongly conflates these 2 very separate and independent issues, sexual orientation and gender identity.

Manderleyagain · 04/02/2022 12:19

Done! Thanks for the links on this thread.

BunnyNumNum · 04/02/2022 12:40

I've just submitted my response. Not long to get it in now...

ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2022 14:57

Link for advice on contributing to the bill to ban conversion therapy.

8 hrs to go approximately till the deadline

sex-matters.org/take-action/conversion-therapy-consultation/

ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2022 15:01

@megaz

In response to your previous post, you might find a good explanation about the problems with this proposed bill in the link below from the LGB Alliance.

lgballiance.org.uk/2021/11/30/lgb-alliances-response-to-the-government-consultation-on-banning-conversion-therapy/

Thethingswedoforlove · 04/02/2022 18:20

Bumping in case it causes anyone else to put in some comments before the deadline

OhHolyJesus · 04/02/2022 19:22

The sex matters quick response was fab - took less than 5 mins and as the deadline approaches that might be a good option for some.

Thethingswedoforlove · 04/02/2022 20:14

It’s really so good

candycane222 · 04/02/2022 22:10

just bumping for the closing hour or so - wish I'd looked here first as i made up my own response instead so it was probably a bit lame. (actually spotted it was today as the reminder was helpfully provided by Nancy Kelly lol)

Toomie · 04/02/2022 23:10

Just finished my response using the Sex Matters quick response form.

Even now is still not too late. Only takes a few mins and every voice counts .

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=sex-matters.org/take-action/conversion-therapy-consultation" target="_blank">http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=sex-matters.org/take-action/conversion-therapy-consultation/

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