Thread about Harrop

[BlueTouchPaper]

Just sent a message to thread 3 and the pages ran out. Took me ages to write so started new thread. Happy to be overwritten

Mind you, it's a sad state of affairs when you feel vindicated by the bloody Daily Mail. Still though

I was just mulling this DM issue over.

I've only comparatively recently (last year or so) been made aware of the ludicrous situation of what perfectly reasonable statements I can and can't make nowadays. Often by people younger and cleverer (!) than me. I was also encouraged by some trending threads to inform myself. Having informed myself as much as I've been able, I'm thoroughly shocked how easily some people, clever people, people I admire, have eaten up and swallowed a fantasy. An ideology that leaves science behind a drawn curtain. That some articles I've read, describe Professor Robert Winston as a "TV doctor who needs to catch up with new research"!!!!! And then to find that people who have never heard of him agree!

It's heart sinking stuff when I see how far this ideology has inveigled itself into being considered absolute truth, enough to enchant a whole generation.

I'm mid 60s. So are most of my friends, and they know nothing about any of this. I've made it my business to apprise them. I think the DM are better placed than me to inform people.

So back to the beginning. Having been on MN for a couple of years, I've picked up that everybody hates the Daily Mail. Has this opinion changed?

YABU - no it hasn't.
YANBU - yes it has.

You forgot the vote buttons...

I’m gender critical, loathe stonewall for what they now represent, and I still hate the Daily Mail.
The DM is so destructive to the fabric of this country, and just because they post stories about this issue that I might agree with doesn’t change that.

The daily Mail know what a woman is. Unfortunately they spend many of their pages objectifying and vilifying them for it.

I applaud them for the sunlight but can't like them as a publication.

I hate the Guardian more than the Daily Mail.

What DismantledKing said. I know a couple of people who used to work at the Daily Mail and it's about as bad as you'd expect. Like most newspapers they do employ some intelligent people though.

So is there a thread 4? I was surprised it ran out without a carry-on, so to speak.

You forgot the vote buttons...

Wasn't given an option. Just thought that yabu or yanbu could be established.

The DM is widely read. For that reason I am glad when they publicise this issue. Like most of msm they publish a lot of bad stuff, but occasionally they get it right.

@DismantledKing

I’m gender critical, loathe stonewall for what they now represent, and I still hate the Daily Mail. The DM is so destructive to the fabric of this country, and just because they post stories about this issue that I might agree with doesn’t change that.

This, this, a million times. It's a really nasty paper. I think the Mail on Sunday is actually separate and seems marginally better?

I hate the daily mail but ultimately we’re in a corner. Stonewall has insinuated itself and its bullshit ideology into every organisation from government to the NHS, schools, the legal profession, every kind of company, fucking breastfeeding groups and rape crisis centres. This is NOT A DRILL and we need some blunt instruments like the Mail etc to get the word out to your average joe on the street and make the govt and the main political parties realise Self ID is a mistake and they need to start rowing the fuck back on all the concessions they’ve already made re single sex spaces and organisations.

I’m not going to start buying the Mail or anything but I will click the shit out of any article they write that reveals the truth of what’s happening around single sex spaces, what’s happening in schools and with children being transed/mutilated/sterilised, the horrors of experimental sex change surgery, the heartbreaking stories of detransitioners, sexual coercion/rape of lesbians, and TRAs abuse, doxxing and oppression of women, women losing their jobs, women being forced to compete against TW at sport, women not even being able to call themselves women or mothers etc etc ETC! This is an emergency! 🚨

I think the mail has changed. It was always an odd mix of mostly clickbait but some strong investigative journalism but, for many years, it had a hateful tone and was often unreliable on the facts. It was the mail that caused the MMR panic with dozens of articles of lies, to pick one example of many.

Since Dacre moved up I haven't seen any outright fibs and the news reporting seems straighter. There is certainly less overt bile.

It's still not a paper I'd choose to read but I think it's no worse than the guardian now in terms of its ratio of dross to value.

It's a mix - good coverage of some things, awful on others. DH reads just about every 'paper' , he says DM is surprisingly good on financial stuff.

We have a subscription to the Times, that generally seems better balanced than most of the other available news sources.

(The title of this thread is maybe misleading click bait... it seems to be about the DM rather than the unappealing medic.

This is why we need a plurality of voices in our media.

Now. Shall we talk about Twitter troll, disgraced Dr Deplorable?

I actually don’t want to.

Nah. He's already had far more attention than is good for him.

The DM article was probably the most robust coverage and included a second article with screenshots of conversations by Harrop with the odd name others might recognise like S Hayden who was involved in Harrops tribunal proceedings.Joss Prior is supposedly one of Harrops patients and online cheerleaders but not a fan of this forum neither is Hayden lol.
The VICE article is awfully sycophantic and I suspect Harrop tried Pink News but they appear not to have taken the bait, least so far
The Echo appeared reluctant to copy the story and had previously covered Harrop as the poor man who got his tyres slashed, an odd pitch by Harrop to the Echo to get coverage and some free new tyres

Harrops actual private life hasn't been commented upon in general though he did a gay radio show interview where he goes into a little detail and it must have been after the GMC warned him twice before, Harrop was dismissive when he spoke about the warnings on radio as though he was somehow immune

He has a remarkable and enduring lack of insight into his own failings and clear!y still sees
himself as the victim in all of this and I suspect will always believe that

The Mail and MoS have run some very good, well-researched articles about genderbollocks for some time now, certainly at least since the Man Friday protests. I look on the site almost every day now because that and the Times, along with the Spectator provide the best coverage of the issues that concern us.

Yesterday the Mail covered Dr Deplorable, the RCM backtrack and the US college transwoman swimmer breaking the women's records. They've also covered Posie's AHF campaign and billboards, all the cancellations of women in academia, the Nolan podcasts and the Maya F, Harry Miller, Kate Scottow and Allison Bailey cases. Jenni Murray has a weekly column.

The articles always get a lot of comments from the readership and it's clear that more and more people are being peaked every time.

Anyway, back to the good doctor...
(Actually, I don't think we'll be hearing much about him for a while)

@donquixotedelamancha

I think the mail has changed. It was always an odd mix of mostly clickbait but some strong investigative journalism but, for many years, it had a hateful tone and was often unreliable on the facts. It was the mail that caused the MMR panic with dozens of articles of lies, to pick one example of many.

Since Dacre moved up I haven't seen any outright fibs and the news reporting seems straighter. There is certainly less overt bile.

It's still not a paper I'd choose to read but I think it's no worse than the guardian now in terms of its ratio of dross to value.

I hate to admit it, but the general reporting in the DM is pretty good. Their news team must be huge, as the website covers so many subjects, and most of the time you can just get the general facts without too much emotive language. They also report on a lot of stuff that the UK and US press don’t touch.

But they do have bloody awful columnists and opinion pieces which drag the site down and keep it in the past. Plus the body shaming celeb stuff. I assume that’s the stuff that makes them their money and funds their proper reporting.

I hate to admit it, but the general reporting in the DM is pretty good. Their news team must be huge, as the website covers so many subjects, and most of the time you can just get the general facts without too much emotive language.

Their news reporting is often excellent. They do investigative stuff and have broken some important stories. When it comes to complex health issues their journalists are often very good at breaking things down in a clear and accessible way.

I think most people don't see that because, quite simply, they don't read the Mail. I can see why they don't (under Dacre, you used to get some horrible inflammatory headlines about immigrants) but it's a shame because people miss the good stuff. Most journalists don't go into their profession because they want to spread misinformation - they actually go in wanting to find things out and report them honestly and truthfully.

Their news team must be huge, as the website covers so many subjects, and most of the time you can just get the general facts without too much emotive language. They also report on a lot of stuff that the UK and US press don’t touch

Yeah, the fact that they are often faster to pick up stuff than the beeb is why is do sometimes use them.

The DM exposed the men who murdered Stephen Lawrence. The kept on and on when the police behaved so badly.

"The DM exposed the men who murdered Stephen Lawrence."

And considering that many people's perception of the average DM reader - white, right wing, lacking in intelligence - that took a lot of guts.
As a person who considers themself traditional Labour, I find my daily reading includes - The Spectator, Telegraph, Times and Mail, plus MoS.
I remember the shameful coverage of the New Year sexual assaults in Cologne, by the Guardian and Independent, plus the BBC.
However, the Mail is to be commended for their coverage.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4036668/No-touch-New-footage-Cologne-sex-attacks-reveals-women-screamed-attackers-police-realise-powerless-stop-them.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3393228/Cologne-sex-attacks-planned-gangs.html

By automatically barring some news sources, it is quite easy to become trapped in a "purity spiral".
I think GBNews got off to a rocky start, but their standards have really improved.

@endofthelinefinally

The DM exposed the men who murdered Stephen Lawrence. The kept on and on when the police behaved so badly.

They did this, before there was any convictions. They risked being sued but did it anyway.

Very little in life is all good or all bad.

Very little in life is all good or all bad.

^This. One of the many important things of which the gender debate seems to be reminding some people (including me) is that there aren't many people you would agree with on every single issue, and also not many people you would disagree with on every single issue. It's ok to agree with someone you don't otherwise like.

Good sense is to be applauded wherever it's found and whoever is saying it. And if good sense on an important issue is reaching a wider audience because it's being published by a very popular publication that I happen to dislike, it would be foolish of me not to be happy about it. Does that mean I now read and like the DM? No.