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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Washington Post: "The mental health establishment is failing trans kids"

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miri1985 · 25/11/2021 08:49

www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/11/24/trans-kids-therapy-psychologist/

Nothing particularly new but interesting to see it in the Washington Post

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Gncq · 25/11/2021 09:31

Ooh interesting.
Obviously the US has it's problems, but one thing the US is really really good at is sueing the ass off people and organisations left right and centre.

I predict a wave of legal action is imminent, and now all the promoters of gender ideology like the Washington Post are sniffing a change in the atmosphere.

teawamutu · 25/11/2021 09:58

Women's rights only protected when the ideology started to inconvenience men.

Children only protected when lawyers start sniffing around.

I'll take it, but it's a disgrace.

Needmoresleep · 25/11/2021 10:10

Actually I think there might be a lot new.

I am no Rowantrees, but a while back I tried to pull together various links suggesting connections between a Los Angeles paediatrician, Olsen-Kennedy, WPATH/USPATH, and various UK figures/organisations such as Susie Green, Minnymum, Mermaids and Bristol University

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4124821-Abnormal-structures-of-the-body-caused-by-congenital-defects?msgid=103273216

My best guess on reading the WP article, which includes specific criticism of Olsen-Kennedy, is that there has been a rethink. Perhaps motivated by fear of legal actions, but if added to Nancy Kelly's recent roll-backs, I wonder if it is more general.

For the last couple of decades the LGB(QTIA+++) ladder has been a fast way to the top of City and Government organisations. These D&I roles don't go to any old boring "cishet" so competition is limited, and exposure, with organisations keen to show their rainbow credentials, has been large. Also an easier way to demonstrate "success" than toiling away on a trading floor or having the technical knowhow to be a quant.

The rainbow flag is now starting to look tattered. Young people are bored with their peers who claim to be trans in order to be different, and have moved onto other TicToc themes. Women, including many lesbians, are alienated and increasingly angry. Men who were happy to dismiss it as irrelevant culture wars, now recognise some significant and dangerous attacks on free speech, that could potentially affect them. When populists like Nigel Farage take up the banner, politicians quake. He may be many things, but no one doubts his ability to read public mood.

I suspect the real players, those sitting on boards of major organisations will have been thinking. Perhaps Dentons or the "Where are we now" people, or the funding astroturf.

They may have decided that what they really want to protect is their cosy D&I industry. (And the parallel medical industry.)

What is causing the biggest societal irritant and opposition, and is this important to those who matter?

  • the medicalisation of teenage girls
  • the strictures on language. Mother, breast-feeding etc.
  • high level womens' sport: Olympics, and top level tennis and football.

Yes we will get these crumbs. We might even get some protection of debate on campuses, as employers will have noticed the inflexibility of some recent hires, and post-Brexit we have a tight labour market.

This is not good enough. We, as voters, should set the agenda, not outsource it to some unaccountable lobbying organisation. D&I needs to go back to meaning exactly that: and give equal weight to the other protected categories such as disability, race, sex and religion. not just Stonewall's made up category of "gender identity".

It's not alright to say "sorry" and move on. What about those teenage victims alluded to in the WP report. What about women pushed out of community sport or off competitive sport pathways, what about the woman who did not win an award because Pips Bunce did, and the women who have been silenced or lost their jobs or faced harassment and abuse.

No. we need a public inquiry to look into how it managed to happen.

MedusasButterDish · 25/11/2021 10:57

Thread reply to the article: twitter.com/ZaneEmma/status/1463712837868474372

, discussing Dutch protocol, what followup evidence is available, etc. It's much better to read than for me to attempt to summarise!

EdgeOfACoin · 25/11/2021 11:00

It's an odd article. It's quick to put down the 'conservative evangelical' position - while making exactly the same points that both conservatives and feminists have been making for years.

OldCrone · 25/11/2021 11:04

Erica Anderson is one of the doctors mentioned in this article:
bariweiss.substack.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-whistle

Thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4366709-Abigail-Shrier-Marci-Bowers-critical-of-puberty-blockers

MedusasButterDish · 25/11/2021 11:18

@OldCrone Yes, I mentioned that article when writing to my MP about the conversion therapy consultation. (I'm still going to fill in the consultation itself, but as Maya Forstater has said, asking MPs to #presspause lays down a "marker" . No-one should be able to say they were "never warned" of the possible results of changing bodies and changing society so recklessly.)

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