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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jo Bartosch in the MOS

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/11/2021 23:14

Stonewall, BBC, cotton ceilings...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10225111/Stonewall-brands-lesbians-sexual-racists-raising-concerns-sex-transgender-women.html

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teawamutu · 21/11/2021 11:22

Among the many things I like about that article is the clarity of the language around exactly who lesbians are being asked to sexually accommodate: males, with male genitalia, who claim to be women.

A welcome shift.

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 21/11/2021 11:44

Well, it's completely explicit now, isn't it? Stonewall says that lesbians that don't want to touch a penis are "sexual racists".

How Nancy Kelley can say that as a lesbian herself boggles the mind.

BettyFilous · 21/11/2021 11:47

@InspiralCoalescenceRingdown

Well, it's completely explicit now, isn't it? Stonewall says that lesbians that don't want to touch a penis are "sexual racists".

How Nancy Kelley can say that as a lesbian herself boggles the mind.

It certainly blows any claim of being a charity that advocates for the rights of same-sex attracted people out of the water. The T has elbowed the LG&B out of the Stonewall nest.
WarOnWoman · 21/11/2021 11:50

That was an excellent piece by Jo. The comments show people's confusion because it's such big topic to get your head around and the language used adds to the confusion. There's also an element of disbelief that all this has been going on, on top of all the other stories in DM about women's sport, GIDS, erasure of female centred words etc etc etc. It's no wonder people are scratching their heads, confused.

Appledrop · 21/11/2021 12:01

The Daily mail should now do an article on this person, the person in this short but very shocking tiktok video?

mobile.twitter.com/hatpinwoman/status/1461468365881589770

Datun · 21/11/2021 12:32

[quote Appledrop]The Daily mail should now do an article on this person, the person in this short but very shocking tiktok video?

mobile.twitter.com/hatpinwoman/status/1461468365881589770[/quote]
And this is the problem. That person is just one person. There are always nasty wankers out there, aren't there?

And that's what the ideology claims, that you can't judge everyone on the basis of one.

But the whole point is that the ideology gives every single man like this the opportunity to fuck women over.

It's not about a minority of people taking advantage. It's about every single predator in the country being able to take advantage. And being patted on the back for it and being called progressive.

So yes, I do think that men such as this need to be showcased.

Jux · 23/11/2021 18:44

It's not about a minority of people taking advantage. It's about every single predator in the country being able to take advantage. And being patted on the back for it and being called progressive.

@Datun, that is so perfectly put. May I quote you to my MP (and every other bugger I'm writing/speaking to about this)?

Datun · 24/11/2021 08:07

@Jux

It's not about a minority of people taking advantage. It's about every single predator in the country being able to take advantage. And being patted on the back for it and being called progressive.

@Datun, that is so perfectly put. May I quote you to my MP (and every other bugger I'm writing/speaking to about this)?

Absolutely.
Jux · 26/11/2021 14:02

👍🏼 Done. And shall be again. And again. Etc.

LobsterNapkin · 26/11/2021 14:38

in her email, Kelley suggested that the BBC article would end up being ‘transphobic’ because it represented trans women as ‘sexual predators’, which was a ‘central anti-trans argument’.

This in itself is very interesting and disturbing framing.

What she is saying is that certain arguments, irrespective of their factual truth or validity, should not be allowed if they are used by "the other side". The people with the bad ideas.

This is a really dangerous thing to accept, even when we think the other side is wrong. Take for example some of the genetic racists, who will point to statistics on black underachievement in academic tests. The fact is, that these statistics are true and no one really has a clear explanation as to why. So of course they are used by people who want to claim some races are genetically inferior.

But there are those who don't want to talk about these facts at all simply because they fear their use by such people, and who try and use rather unconvincing arguments about things like implicit bias to gloss over the information. This is a bad thing - it not only means the underlying problems aren't addressed, it ends up lending credence to the racists. Because people can see they are the only ones who seem to be looking at the information.

It's not a good outcome and it's very typical of identity politics groups like Stonewall.

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