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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kathleen Stock interview in The Times

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ThinkIveFoundYourMarbles · 19/11/2021 12:47

Excellent interview just released.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/11/2021 13:12

It is.

BettyFilous · 19/11/2021 13:20

My first impression was relief that they’ve finally got some decent photos of Kathleen instead of the blurry screengrab everyone has been using to date.

Ratherly · 19/11/2021 13:27

Great interview, amazing woman.

Time again I'm shocked at the reaction and actions of the academic establishment and wonder again if we're wrong on this. (NO!) How can so many supposed intelligent educated people not stop and think hang on, this is all such BS.

Such bravery to stand up!

BettyFilous · 19/11/2021 13:38

It’s a great article. Kathleen and Janice Turner are both formidable. Kathleen’s integrity jumps off the page.

ThinkIveFoundYourMarbles · 19/11/2021 13:56

Thanks for the share token, ItsAllGoingToBeFine!

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Melroses · 19/11/2021 14:04

I haven't read it all yet, but I love Janice Turner's writing and I have to read every word. She puts everything so carefully and precisely, yet it flows beautifully Smile

(Also loved her dog/cyclist piece earlier in the week)

RobotValkyrie · 19/11/2021 14:28

Time again I'm shocked at the reaction and actions of the academic establishment

Be shocked, but not surprised. Academia is a toxic cesspit of multilayered entrenched privilege (class, sex, race... The whole lot)
The whole PhD/post-doc system of temporary contracts is a brainwashy pyramid scheme continuously exploiting new generations of naive neurodivergent folks.

It's not a nice place, and it's not run by decent people.

FindTheTruth · 19/11/2021 14:45

@BettyFilous

My first impression was relief that they’ve finally got some decent photos of Kathleen instead of the blurry screengrab everyone has been using to date.
same. really good photos
ItsRainingProstateOwners · 19/11/2021 15:09

Great interview. I know people have compared gender identity to a religion before but I’ve never seen it spelt out like this. I’m not religious so I hadn’t thought of it like that.

Kathleen Stock interview in The Times
FindTheTruth · 19/11/2021 15:14

all these supposed feminist philosophers leapt to call me a bigot

Academics, especially in English and gender studies, began to organise.

When Stock challenged her most vocal academic opponent to a debate, “She said that my position was beyond rational discussion.”

It’s women who have really pushed the persecution.” Why? “Partly because in academia now there’s a career incentive to virtue-signal, to promote yourself as an ethical activist figure.”

Some of the academics who denounced her, emboldened the mob and smeared Kathleen Stock as ‘transphobic’, which is to say a hater of trans people:

Professor Alison Phipps - Sussex Uni
Historian Anne-Marie Angelo - Gender studies - Sussex Uni
Professor Sally Haslanger of Philosophy MIT
Sally Hines Gender Studies and Sociology - Sheffield Uni
Natacha Kennedy (Goldsmiths, University of London)
ProfessorGrace Lavery - Gender & Women's Studies - University of California
Professor Alex Sharpe - Warwick Uni
Jen Slater - UCU rep. Queer trans parent

Floisme · 19/11/2021 15:21

Thanks for the link. I didn't know that about her Catholic upbringing - very interesting. And yes, great pics - I love the way she dresses.

highame · 19/11/2021 15:22

Fabulous interview. Anyone noticed just how many articles there are on Sex v Gender and just how many are getting it. Brings a Smile to my face. A long way to go, but there are signs of progress.

prudencepuffin · 19/11/2021 15:34

It’s women who have really pushed the persecution.

This little nugget leapt out at me.

merrymouse · 19/11/2021 15:35

I agree that it's great to see some proper photos of Kathleen, which also happen to demonstrate the asymmetry of 'presenting as a sex'.

Notably her entire outfit from jacket to shoes was the standard non-uniform uniform in my 1980's girl's sixth form.

Datun · 19/11/2021 16:25

Following that first blog, Stock was interviewed in the Brighton Argus where, discussing single-sex spaces such as changing rooms, she noted that the vast majority of trans women retain male genitalia. “This is a fact,” she says, “but it was treated as the worst thing I could possibly say.” (Stock’s friend, Professor Mary Leng, calls such a statement of unacceptable truth a “reverse Voltaire”: ie “I agree with what you say, but I’ll fight to the death to prevent you from saying it.”) “That’s where everyone at Sussex’s ears pricked up.”

From what a pp has said, I understand that if you're not in academia, you won't see how things work, but to the outside world, it's massively undermining of academics and the entire system if they approve of censorship. Especially censorship of something which the rest of the world completely agrees with.

Perhaps they thought that the rest of the world would never be aware of their desire to shut down reality. Fortunately, now we are.

I hope they never live it down.

Frustration and outrage is a gimmee in this fight to maintain reality, I can't imagine how it would feel when it becomes so personal.

What a brave woman.

NotBadConsidering · 20/11/2021 04:51

Great interview.

znaika · 20/11/2021 05:11

I love Kathleen Stock. Such a great article to humanize her. Homophobia is real (particularly against lesbians) and a lot of people turn off or away when they think it's lesbians moaning. Its pointless to deny it.

But this portrays Stock as an intelligent proud (and beautiful) woman with her own narrative. An interesting woman. So much easier for people who are not into this debate to see it when the effects of this shit are humanised in such a way.
Thanks to both woman involved))

catsnoozing · 20/11/2021 11:24

The article is in today's Times (Sat 20th Nov 21) in the magazine section.

RoyalCorgi · 20/11/2021 11:28

Excellent article. Lovely to read about Kathleen's personal history, which I wasn't aware of before.

2Rebecca · 20/11/2021 13:05

Bought a paper as an excellent article

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