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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Support for parents of children possibly exploring trans identity

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blueskiesrule · 15/11/2021 12:34

Hi, I’ve followed these boards quietly for a while and am familiar with some of the issues. On behalf of a friend I would really appreciate some support resources to help her navigate her 14 year old talking about a possible trans identity. I looked at Young Minds which is helpful but quickly recommends Stonewall & mentions GIDS. I looked at Transgender Trend too. Essentially I’m looking for something with a watchful waiting approach and space or support for my friend to think through how best to support without full affirm just yet. I remember there was a helpful thread but it doesn’t seem to be there any more from April. TIA

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Gncq · 17/11/2021 21:46

Looks like findthetruth was too close for comfort

ScrollingLeaves · 17/11/2021 21:54

Was what findthetruth posted deleted?
I thought it was excellent advice that actually could apply to all sorts of difficulties with teen girls.

3timeslucky · 18/11/2021 09:07

That's mad. That was really good advice for worried parents. Isn't that what Mumsnet is supposed to be about? Confused

FindTheTruth · 23/11/2021 13:54

@Gncq @ScrollingLeaves @3timeslucky @RufustheBadgeringReindeer

I'll repost that parents advice thread. MNHQ came back to me to say it included a banned word.

Hi FindTheTruth,

Thanks for getting in touch - we're always happy to explain our moderating decisions.

The problematic part of your post was this sentence from the quoted Twitter thread:

'And for God sake, do NOT facilitate her going to any trans meet ups where she will be around [BANNED WORD on Mumsnet].'

Our moderation principles for discussions around gender identity and sex state that we don't allow sweeping negative generalisations, and we felt this sentence crossed the line.

Best wishes,
MNHQ

FindTheTruth · 23/11/2021 14:00

PARENT’S ADVICE
(@DoubleTweenQueen I saw your post on another thread, perhaps this will help)

twitter.com/HannahBerrelli/status/1460399160558030852

Thread by Hannah Berrelli @HannahBerrelli**

I have received several messages from parents (almost exclusively mothers) asking for advice about their teenage daughter’s identifying as trans or non binary. I am not a parent, or a psychologist, or really any body, but for future, this is my advice.

Your kid wants an identity away from you, they want to separate from you, this is a developmentally appropriate impulse that most adolescents have. Suffocating them, attempting to strengthen your relationship, or shoving radical feminism down their throat is not going to help.

Trans is the cultural language they have to articulate this impulse. It’s not too different from emo subculture, new atheism, or whatever other kind subculture is in vogue. My advice is to act like it’s boring (because it is).

Nothing your Mum suggests to you is cool at that age. She wants to separate from you. Encourage her in other activities that enrich that need for independence. Introduce her to Magdalen Bern’s YouTube, but don’t ask her opinion or force a conversation about it.

Be benignly indifferent. Do not engage. If forced, ask critical questions but do not be bothered by it. Your getting emotional about it will absolutely make it worse. It will give her fodder to complain to school counsellors and tumblr about

Feminism is not cool. Your daughter is living in a world where boys were watching violent pornography at 8 and 15 year olds are get lip fillers. She sees this as away to opt out of the incessant objectification and sexual harassment, it’s completely logical on some level.

She will likely drop it at some point, especially when she realizes it won’t get a reaction out of you. Encourage sport (especially if she is a lesbian), extra curricular activities, any way to build her self esteem a way from fucking Instagram.

If it comes to a head tell your daughter you didn’t think she was a conformist who would pick up the newest trendy thing without question. Tell her you know of 5 other girls who are doing it in her class, because you probably do.

At some point there may be a time where it begins to be a safeguarding concern. If she ever brings up medical transition, it’s time to go nuclear and take a way the internet. You pay for it, you can in fact take it a way.

And for God sake, do NOT facilitate her going to any trans meet ups where she will be around [BANNED WORD ON MUMSNET]. Mention to her that if she is ever in a situation where she feels unsafe or uncomfortable you will come pick her up, no questions asked. Follow up on that promise.

I know they are teaching this stuff in schools, but in my opinion schools to do very little to inform the psychology of their students. I went to a Christian school where homosexuality was a punishable offence yet here we are.

School counsellors would absolutely love to tell a story about dealing with a “transphobic” parent at a dinner party. Liberals absolutely love that shit. Again begin indifference. Tell them that they have to consult you before giving any medical advice to your child, and back off

Remind them of safeguarding legislation if and where it exists, but going apeshit at the school will absolutely encourage them to push this on your child further. Tell your kid that listening to school counsellors is what conformists do

Talk about your experiences as a woman. Talk about how your mother couldn’t open a bank account without your father’s permission when you were a kid. Talk about women in the third world. Plant seeds of doubt

I know it sucks that the solution involves more inaction than action. I can empathize with the feelings of powerlessness and worry. But please don’t push your daughter into the arms of these people by reacting the way she and her school want you to.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/11/2021 21:43

Thank you @FindTheTruth
I have copied the post now.

In fact in this interview with a detransitioner (not U.K.) Gender, Sexuality and Transition (Interviews)
26 / 118 Benjamin A Boyce
this detransitioned trans man, born female and now living as a woman again, talks about how dangerous a certain group is for them - among whom persons which the banned word might conceivably describe are a potentially very much a safeguarding issue for young, gender questioning girls.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/11/2021 21:48

This was the interview

KaycePollard · 24/11/2021 03:51

Second the recommendation of GenSpect. And the discussion with Dr David Bell in the Nolan Stonewall podcasts - I’ve heard Dr Bell speak at conferences and he’s a very experienced knowledgeable and compassionate practitioner.

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