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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Home Office

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DdraigGoch · 14/11/2021 00:07

We've previously heard about how the Home Office toilets all went mixed sex, resulting in female staff using the facilities in another building. Now someone in the Home Office sent out an email asking staff to celebrate "Transgender Parents' Day", as well as a similar one recently for asexual awareness. A civil servant who is the parent of a trans teenager has spoken out about how this is not relevant and too politically divisive for work:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10199039/Home-Office-chiefs-spark-anger-ordering-staff-celebrate-Transgender-Parents-Day.html

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Italiangreyhound · 14/11/2021 01:06

Asking people to celebrate something? I'm not sure you are allowed to require people to celebrate anything?

Coyoacan · 14/11/2021 01:59

I can't see any parent in their right mind, no matter how much they may subscribe to this ideology, celebrating the idea of their child undergoing surgery, being rendered sterile and having to take medicine for the rest of their shortened lives.

FindTheTruth · 14/11/2021 03:34

"It was sent by Caroline Wild, co-deputy chairwoman of the Home Office’s Spectrum Committee, which was set up to support the department’s LGBT+ staff. She is both transgender and a parent."

AnyOldPrion · 14/11/2021 05:35

People are beginning to whistleblow. Even a few months ago, the brave parent who did so probably wouldn’t have dared say anything. Now it’s in the papers and the struggles of parents of children being pushed towards medical transition are mentioned. They’ve even mentioned the trans person who is pushing the agenda.

Awful it’s still going on. But I’m grateful that the tide has turned far enough that the parent of the potentially transitioning child felt able to go to the Mail.

FindTheTruth · 14/11/2021 05:48

People are beginning to whistleblow.
True AnyOld and its wonderful to witness courage calling to courage

JustcameoutGC · 14/11/2021 07:14

Jesus. Have they been smoking crack?
I think it is time to roll back on the bring your whole self to work thing. I reckon thwre should be an upper limit, like bring a MAXIMUM of 80% of yourself to work.

Flammkuchen · 14/11/2021 07:29

So Stonewall advise organisations to set up staff pride networks. These networks get filled with young graduates and bring militant student politics into the organisation. Once set up they demand and expect access to senior management and to dictate policy that affects everyone.

Senior management think they have consulted as they have spoken to the Red Giards of the staff networks.

Everyone else is silent for fear of the Red Guards.

Toxic. Totally toxic.

FindTheTruth · 14/11/2021 07:34

Stonewall advise organisations to set up staff pride networks. These networks get filled with young graduates and bring militant student politics into the organisation. Once set up they demand and expect access to senior management and to dictate policy that affects everyone.

the staff networks (gender identity networks) are so successful in silencing. they release blog posts about pronouns and trans kids and and implement SW law. Meanwhile GC staff feel silenced. and lesbian feminists are in the closet. I hope the EHRC investigates this

TheWeeDonkey · 14/11/2021 07:46

I just don't understand this bring your whole self to work malarkey. We've just come back full time from WFH and I can barely bring myself into the office. It might be the menopause talking but I have very little interest in my colleagues lives outside the office and I don't share much of mine with them. I really can't think of anything worse, but yeah. This is bad. Living with someone who identifies as trans must be incredibly complex, not really something for party poppers and nibbles in the office. I think its a really misguided instruction from their management.

Rightsraptor · 14/11/2021 07:50

I'm wondering if Home Office staff get sent reminders to celebrate Mothers' Day & Fathers' Day too. Bet they don't.

Shedmistress · 14/11/2021 07:51

At least it is now called the contraversial stonewall equality index. And people are saying NO.

NO thank you.

Flammkuchen · 14/11/2021 07:56

Yes, it is the staff networks. I saw it happen in my workplace and they are totally totallly toxic. Not just on trans issues but on other areas.

We had a blog intranet blog post on how terrible it was that some people say that trans women are not women and don’t want them in women’s sport.

It got 397 views and just 11 likes but no one dared to make a dissenting comment.

highame · 14/11/2021 07:57

What is worrying is that since more information is coming into mainstream, how much has been going on. Even more than I thought. How on earth will all of this get rolled back. It's especially concerning that a backlash could occur and that would be bad for everyone

highame · 14/11/2021 07:58

and............ Is there a day of the year that isn't a Trans day

Vanishun · 14/11/2021 08:02

Interesting to see the whistleblowing starting. (Don't suppose anyone here works for the department of education do they? Would love to be a fly on the wall there!)

Flammkuchen · 14/11/2021 08:03

I was looking at applying to a SCS post at a govt department. One of the essential criteria was that I show evidence of work on diversity and inclusion.

I am working class and very interested in expanding the recruitment base. But I feared that they had a very narrow view on what diversity meant. So being an active Stonewall representative would be great. Being a member of the LGB Alliance? Campaigning for the right to be called a woman and for single-sex spaces?

And this is to get into senior management. They are acting to ensure group think at senior levels.

Crankyoldboiler · 14/11/2021 08:03

No indeed. As parents of a transgender child we are devastated at the thought of what our ASD daughter is doing to herself after being captured by this toxic cult. As are her grandmother and brother. A bereavement without a death is the only way I can describe it. Many other parents in online fora are also deeply distressed but our voices are not heard and if you raise your head above the parapet on SM you can imagine what happens. The ones who are using it to "trans away the gay" are rare I think.

Flammkuchen · 14/11/2021 08:09

agree Cranky. I know two sets of parents of girls referred to the Tavistock. All are worried sick and desperate that the children do not take irreversible steps, while still wanting to support their struggling child. I feel for you.

Rightsraptor · 14/11/2021 08:16

Oh Cranky, I do feel for you all too Flowers

AnnaSW1 · 14/11/2021 08:37

@DdraigGoch I don't disagree with you but just a comment. I work at the Home Office. And only one loo was changed to mixed sex and I've never found it thankfully... There are must be a hundred+ loos in the building it's enormous, but I haven't counted!

I haven't received this email. I have however received the pronoun one which I'm ignoring unless it becomes mandatory.

JustcameoutGC · 14/11/2021 08:55

The staff networks are a key vector for this ideology in the workplace. I think my senior management need to hear that there are views outside these groups

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 14/11/2021 09:23

Yes hopefully we will see more and more speak out. Sanchez Manning is good in the Mail.

OvaHere · 14/11/2021 09:27

I got the impression this was to celebrate parents who are trans rather than parents of children who id as trans. Either way it doesn't seem that relevant to a work place.

Even if you were open to celebrating it what does that even look like in a work context? Light a candle? Bring some cake into the office? What exactly is the expectation here?

TheWeeDonkey · 14/11/2021 09:30

Flowers Cranky, I'm sorry your family are going through this, and this is a reason it should not be a thing.

Are they offering councilling, support? Alternative support groups for your child as well? It opens up a whole can of worms that most managers are not qualified to deal with, far from helping employees it could just cause further trauma.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 14/11/2021 09:34

So the email was sent by Caroline Wild, who is a man who identifies as a woman, and a parent.

It appears that Caroline sent out an email to staff inviting them to essentially celebrate Caroline.

Caroline is also quite senior I believe, so it could even have felt like an instruction.

Caroline's full time job appears to be deputy co-chair of the Home Office LGBT+ Network. If someone could explain to me how this constitutes a productive use of tax payer's money I'd be ever so grateful.