Schools in Scotland - gender ID

[Tobogganist]

This is currently on display in our local secondary school (in Scotland).

Why are educationalists not questioning this misinformation?

"Sex can be a combination of chromosomes in 5 different ways".

It is astonishing to me that this is being taught in school.

The Head of Education has been made aware of it.

""No, from birth all those combination will have the normal physiological identifiers of sex, i.e. the ones with a y chromosome will have a penis and those without will have female genitally and this sex will be recorded on their birth certificate.

The chromosomal abnormality may be picked up soon after birth or much later depending on when any physical or learning disabilities become apparent.""

This isn't true in the case of Swyers, where the chromosome reads XY but the external body is female. In fact, girls with Swyers often don't know they have the condition at all until they fail to menstruate at puberty. There can be a uterus (if underdeveloped) and there have been cases of Swyers where the affected individual has gone on to give birth with IVF.

Sorry if I misunderstood your statement but just wanted to say the presence of a Y chromosome doesn't always equal a penis.

The point to be taken is that there is no connection between people with differences of sexual development and transgender people. Trans people don't have chromosomal abnormalities 99.9% of the time. Gender clinics no longer bother testing for them for this reason. It's just gender ideology parasitizing other conditions for validity.

@Dougalskeeper

The point to be taken is that there is no connection between people with differences of sexual development and transgender people. Trans people don't have chromosomal abnormalities 99.9% of the time. Gender clinics no longer bother testing for them for this reason. It's just gender ideology parasitizing other conditions for validity.

Agreed. If sex is a 'spectrum' then we can be one, the other, both or neither if we chose to be. Anything that muddies the waters for TRAs is beneficial to them because it confuses the issue. And this is also why the term 'intersex' should be consigned to history where it belongs.

@Haggisfish3 I assume whoever put this up did it in the spirit of being inclusive, being kind to others and being bamboozled and accepting of information they found on the internet.

I think bamboozled is a little harsh. They haven’t used sex and gender interchangeably. They haven’t suggested intersex people are transgender either. I have found information here very helpful but I’m leaving the thread now.

But they have conflated sex and gender by displaying info on "male, women and intersex" under the title "gender identity".

@Haggisfish3

No they aren’t. Intersex are intersex.

I think the terminology you are struggling to use is either a difference of sexual development - DSD - or variation of sexual development - VSD. www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/ People born with DSD are just that - people.

@HipTightOnions

Why are educationalists not questioning this misinformation?

I agree, and this kind of think makes me despair of my ‘profession’.

The kindest thing I can think of is that they are too scared to speak up.

That’s not ok either though.

On YT there's a clip of the teacher talking to a Scottish lad pulled from class for saying there are only two genders. The teacher looks to be in his late 50's and as he's talking to the lad telling him he is wrong and not allowed to say that, you can just hear the voice in his head saying "Please stop pushing this, I've only got a few more years until I can retire"

The problem I have with this is that the information about sex is included only to give backup to the idea sex is assigned at birth rather than observed.

If it were in biology and the poster was about DSDs.. With stats on incidence etc. Then ok although unlikely. Is it on the curriculum?

But it's not is it. It's there for a completely different reason. And it's got nothing to do with DSDs it's to push the idea that biological sex in humans is very complicated and with no incidence children are led to believe 5 sexes and who can really say which one they are.

It also says that when babies are born they all have their chromosomes checked

Education Dept has responded:

The school have been tasked by Education Scotland to recognise the rights of LGBT+ young people in their care. This group meets in the school. The school will label the work to show that it is the work of the LGBT/Inclusion group.

The main issue here is the using of DSDs in the way they do that could mislead/ confuse children.

And in truth and something they should have thought about. IF there are any children at the school with DSDs (unlikely but still could be) then how do they feel about having reference to DSDs with no context suddenly up on the wall in the school?

@Tobogganist

This is currently on display in our local secondary school (in Scotland).

Why are educationalists not questioning this misinformation?

"Sex can be a combination of chromosomes in 5 different ways".

It is astonishing to me that this is being taught in school.

The Head of Education has been made aware of it.

I’m really shocked by this. Brainwashing.

@MassiveHoard

It really worries me that we'll have generation of kids who haven't been taught fundamental biology. How on earth they think this is helpful to anyone I'll never understand. I get that we need to include everyone but giving children inaccurate information about something so fundamental is not kind to anyone. Have some fucking backbone ffs.

Yes, absolutely.

I would not even try to resist to comment on the factual errors - their biology teacher must be crying reading this. I would:

I understand they meant 'physical' not 'physiological' sex characteristics. Physiological indicators of someone's sex are almost as observable as chromosomal, especially straight after birth...🤦‍♀️

There are no 5 sexes, there are 2 - if they really want to use xx/xy model before mixing it up with gender - with a small percentage of population being born with other variations. They also omitted triple X and mosaicism for example if they are keen to stick to biology and seem particularily focused on combinations including y chromosome..

Again, chromosomes are not checked at birth 🤦‍♀️