Times - MoD & Pronouns

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mod-tells-staff-to-state-name-rank-and-gender-pronoun-rcbwcrw5r Sorry I can't make share tokens work on my laptop. It's a short piece but enough to make blood boil. Where is the impartiality expected of civil servants, it no longer exists and yet we as taxpayers are expected to pay into our downfall with our taxes.

This is straight out of the madness rule book
Officials have been told to state their preferred gender pronouns in meetings at the Ministry of Defence, where a civil servant acts as a trustee of Stonewall. Dunni Alao was described as a “fierce proponent” of Stonewall’s agenda when she was announced as a trustee of the lobby group in June. She is understood to be a civil servant at the MoD, which published an “inclusive language” guide, advising all service personnel, staff and contractors how to discuss sensitive subjects such as gender identity.
Sharing pronouns originated as a gesture of solidarity with the transgender community but it has become politicised as the conflict continues between those who believe that a person’s self-declared gender identity should be prioritised over biological sex, and others who believe this threatens women’s single-sex spaces such as refuges, changing rooms and prisons.

The MoD confirmed this week that it had paid Stonewall £80,312 over five years, mainly on fees for the Royal Navy, the British Army and the Royal Air Force to join Stonewall’s diversity champions programme. Alao and the MoD declined to say if she was involved in drafting the document, or if permission was necessary for civil servants to support a lobby group.

If surrendered you should only give them name,number and pronouns.

One wonders if all employees are allowed to be 'fiercely' activist for their partisan personal political cause and to attempt to force a govt department to follow their personal political agenda against their duty of impartiality and representation of all members of the general public and all beliefs/faiths/cultures/races/sexualities/abilities etc etc? Because this looks like a massive failure of the govt to safeguard against extremist politics and personal bias in their employees.

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How Did she know the homeless men were men? Did they all give their pronouns before getting help?

www.stonewall.org.uk/people/dunni-alao

but it has become politicised as the conflict continues between those who believe that a person’s self-declared gender identity should be prioritised over biological sex, and others who believe this threatens women’s single-sex spaces such as refuges, changing rooms and prisons

Pisses me off how they frame it as a women being mean wanting their spaces. They never point out that it means changing laws to remove ANY female only space forevermore and that we would no longer be allowed to politically advocate solely for female needs.

Why the fuck should the special subjective feelings of a minority be given such power.

@Artichokeleaves

One wonders if all employees are allowed to be 'fiercely' activist for their partisan personal political cause and to attempt to force a govt department to follow their personal political agenda against their duty of impartiality and representation of all members of the general public and all beliefs/faiths/cultures/races/sexualities/abilities etc etc? Because this looks like a massive failure of the govt to safeguard against extremist politics and personal bias in their employees.

Quite.

I can think of topics where it would have been grounds for dismissal, not least for bringing the CS into disrepute.

The minister of safeguarding did a 'chat' on MN some months ago. I did ask her about how departments guarded against the risk of political capture. HQ deleted and warned me for asking the question.

With the amount of effort its taken for women to be taken seriously in the Forces, now they want to go back to making it obvious again?

Its only been 15ish years since they removed the W from new Army numbers...

By coincidence, this article is also in today's The Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sandhurst-is-in-the-dark-ages-at-every-military-dinner-i-was-groped-7ss6w3f6m

These are the chaps who order the minions off to war?
They want the minions to document how they fit under anti-discrimination law in a combat zone?

At least they dont have to worry about self ID now women are on the frontline in full combat roles🤷🏼‍♀️

Of the people I know in the armed forces, non is TWAW

'The MoD guidance, which appears to lift some sentences verbatim from Stonewall’s glossary of terms, claims that “not all women are biologically female” and advises MoD staff to be careful using the word “female”, in case it “erases gender non-conforming people and members of the trans community”.'

'It also encouraged MoD personnel to publicise their preferred pronouns on their email signatures, on their social media profiles and at the start of meetings and presentations, in order to make their transgender and non-binary colleagues feel more comfortable.
“By respecting others’ pronouns, you recognise their sense of self and show you respect their gender identity,” said the guide, published by the MoD diversity and inclusion directorate.'

This reeks of misogyny. No surprise to me, coming from the MOD but shocking all the same to see something written down telling people to be careful using the word 'female' and to respect something vague which in its own words, shifts around between 'gender identity' and 'gender' (as in 'gender non-conforming'), as if they are the same thing, whatever that is, before going on to non-binary, whatever that is, while all the time showing no respect or concern for women or their comfort - or even existence.
It's not just about single-sex spaces as The Times article has it. It's more fundamental than that, from the coercive exhortation to 'respect' some undefined shifting idea to the detriment of meaning and the erasure of woman as a reality and sex as a category. Scary indeed and calls for some action or protest. Perhaps draw it to the attention of the EHRC, Liz Truss, Baroness Nicholson?

It's more fundamental than that, from the coercive exhortation to 'respect' some undefined shifting idea to the detriment of meaning and the erasure of woman as a reality and sex as a category.

This.

It has become necessary to use the word 'female' as a separate word to women as women is now a mixed sex category. And sometimes it is necessary to talk about the biologically female half of the human race, in order that their needs are met as they never are within a category that has to be in essence, at all times, signalling that it's definitely mixed sex and the male members are definitely the most important and influential ones.

It's not just about single-sex spaces as The Times article has it. It's more fundamental than that, from the coercive exhortation to 'respect' some undefined shifting idea

It feels like creating impossible rules that everyone will transgress (even by omission) at some point and handing over ready-wrapped reasons for intimidation and even dismissal.

Did they have any problem with using the word "male"? Were they really that blatant about targetting "female", or is that just reporting spin?

Someone has been through the comments on that thread with a chainsaw .

I find it interesting that the most recommended comments on Times articles these days are almost always deleted. It's almost as though the majority of readers don't agree with the moderation decisions, which I suppose happens on many forums.

Someone has been through the comments on that thread with a chainsaw shock.

It’s very, very easy to get comments deleted on the Times. And often very hard to get them posted!

This pisses me off no end. My dh is in the forces and they've been captured although no one actually seems to believe it completely.
He continually challenges it, thankfully, but just gets a 'it's from higher up'.
Sexism, however, is alive and well. Verbal sexual abuse of one of his soldiers was met with 'boys will be boys' ffs

JO BARTOSCH ❤️
The Ministry of Defence now expects personnel to announce their pronouns at meetings.
www.spiked-online.com/2021/11/08/why-is-the-army-fighting-the-culture-wars/

At this rate all Russia or China will need to do is misgender a few people and the UK will be theirs….

Gender extremism, critical theory, marxism are a gift to regimes who want the west de-stabilised where society, academia, politics are collapsing and oppressing the mass population including LGBT,. These are not the values of democracy or the services to protect it. We need Stonewall OUT.