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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

R4 the skewer

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Sittinginthesand · 03/11/2021 23:33

Just played a weird mashup of the Nolan report and the Benjamin guy umm oh and ahhing about what gender is over a sound track of ‘don’t know much about biology’.

It’s right at the end. I don’t know what to think!

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JackieWeaversZoomAc · 04/11/2021 19:32

@Yusanaim

This probably isn't the place but I want to say that only the Tories with their many, many faults stood against this gender stuff, all the others crumbled and pandered to it nauseatingly.
I'm prepared sure all these captured government departments have been run by the Tories for quite some time.

While gender ideology might not have been Tory party policy they nevertheless allowed complete capitulation to it at nearly every level. The NHS Is far from out of the woods with these stonewall awards being announced this week - under tory watch. I don't know if education will ever recover.

I think it's worse what they have none - whether by intent or by utter lack of capacity for proper management. The torys have allowed institutional capture to have throughout govt departments and it's not even their policy!!!!! ShockShockShock

ScreamingMeMe · 04/11/2021 20:05

Who was it said something like The Left can't win elections, but it can still sneak in its policies via charities and higher education?

(I'm paraphrasing - badly - here.)

JackieWeaversZoomAc · 04/11/2021 20:08

I've not heard that before but it does seem apt.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 04/11/2021 21:31

Very funny. Poor old Ben Cohen squirming away made me laugh out loud. But we need to do more laughing at gender ideology because it’s ridiculous and deserves to be laughed at.

OvaHere · 04/11/2021 21:56

@ScreamingMeMe

Who was it said something like The Left can't win elections, but it can still sneak in its policies via charities and higher education?

(I'm paraphrasing - badly - here.)

I think it's described as the long march through institutions. Something the left have been much more on the ball with, probably because they've spent less time in actual power so have had more time for building soft power. The massive growth of the third sector has contributed too which mostly started with Blair but was also boosted by Cameron's vision of 'big society'.

The Tories though have been very slow on the uptake at understanding they need their own allies in some of these orgs and in the civil service. It's only Johnson's government that seems to finally have understood this to some extent. Not sure Johnson himself gets it but some of his people appear to. I know he's unpopular for a number of good reasons but it's something Dominic Cummings when an advisor understood very clearly.

HalfBrick · 04/11/2021 22:13

Each series of the Skewer has been amazing, I think it's edited up until the last minute so it contains the latest news stories, and the mash of subtle music and speaking is so good. There have been really poignant sad bits and really hilarious bits. I like it when they edit the queen Grin

HalfBrick · 04/11/2021 22:15

That was supposed to be a smile...

Sittinginthesand · 04/11/2021 22:17

I’m glad I didn’t imagine it - I was half asleep and only caught the end. I’ll have to listen again!

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Gastonia · 04/11/2021 22:27

I've only ever heard this program when I've been trying to get to sleep, and I've always hated it, because it's not restful. I just didn't get it. I didn't even realise it was snippets of real news in my drowsy state!

But listening to it just now, it really did skewer the trans debate. So funny. What a change from the bbc!

ItsRainingProstateOwners · 04/11/2021 22:48

I too enjoyed Justin Trudeau slipping up, it reminded me of the Veep episode where VP Doyle has to fill in for Selena’s speech on LGBTQ inclusion (can’t remember if the + was involved back then). He stumbles over LGBTQ but also realises as he’s reading that the speech hasn’t been amended since it was written for Selena so he starts talking about growing up with his gay friends dancing to Madonna and learning about fashion and everyone is bemused!

NoThankYouSaurus · 04/11/2021 22:57

Listened to it again just now. It's extraordinary, actually. I don't think I've heard a better take down of the whole batshit the movement. I would love to know what all the pro TRA comedians - the knob end Frankie Boyle, Aisling Bee et al - are thinking at the moment? Will they double down, quietly drop their support or pretend they were never supporters in the first place?

MidsomerMurmurs · 05/11/2021 06:43

Will they double down, quietly drop their support or pretend they were never supporters in the first place?

It’ll be options 2 and 3 from your list. We know that most TRA-style celebs don’t have any consistency in their “activism”. Plenty of people quietly deleted tweets about WiSpa for instance, or about Mermaids’ previous “born in the wrong body” arguments.

As the tide turns there’ll be a lot of reverse ferreting.

WarriorN · 05/11/2021 07:39

Oooh thanks, not come across this before!

WarriorN · 05/11/2021 08:03

Oh that was a great 🤣

The "don't know much bout biology..." playing over Ben...!

FrancescaContini · 05/11/2021 08:07

Oh dear Ben!!! 😆
This is brilliant - thank you

IrisAtwood · 05/11/2021 08:08

Nominated Stock’s interview and The Skewer clip for POTW.

TeamRex · 05/11/2021 08:12

I would love to know what all the pro TRA comedians - the knob end Frankie Boyle,

Ooh, I cannot stand Frankie Boyle but I would love to hear him being asked about the Dave Chappelle issue.

Fariha31 · 05/11/2021 09:40

Prity sure I hear Paul Embery on there too Smile

Manderleyagain · 05/11/2021 10:31

Thanks for this. I vaguely recognise this program. Is it broadcast on radio 4 aswell as being a podcast?

That's pretty much the first time I've heard this all being laughed at, or being poked fun at. "Skewered" is right. I read someone describing the whole issue as being like a black hole - you can't really see it (because no one addresses it head on), but everything near by is behaving strangely. One of the strange things is that the beliefs, though they are absurd, are not allowed to be questioned, and you are definitely not allowed to poke fun at them. So the female Penis should be fodder for satirists but they've ignored it. Well the beginning of the end of that is underway.

We are definitely watching the BBC being uncaptured.

On the Tories, in addition to points already made, representatives of the government have recently fought for gender identity policies in court.

The cabinet Office and ONS both fought for the census to be based on self identified sex. The qc argued that sex is an umbrella term including 'passport sex'. The MoJ fought for the continued right to place male convicted rapists in women's prisons.

GrrrlPwr · 05/11/2021 10:44

I wonder how the activists will take being made fun of?

I remember hearing a R4 prog years ago about comedy and extremism. And whatever the 'flavour' or end of the spectrum of extremism they all exhibit a complete inability to have any humour at all. Just utterly freakout at being made fun of.

Whereas reasonable folk just go oh well, moving on.

I'll get the popcorn

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 05/11/2021 10:48

We are definitely watching the BBC being uncaptured.

I'm still resolutely of the opinion that none of this is indicative of a sea change, turning tide, or other signs of a new dawn or [insert your preferred expression].

If this is ever unpicked it will take years - it will see fast because there will be an acceleration at some point. It's another part of preference falsification.

A common effect of preference falsification is the preservation of widely disliked structures. Another is the conferment of an aura of stability on structures vulnerable to sudden collapse. When the support of a policy, tradition, or regime is largely contrived, a minor event may activate a bandwagon that generates massive yet unanticipated change.

www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674707580

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 05/11/2021 12:03

I've been thinking like you, Hadrosaurus - but the difference here is that few people actually believe in th mantras or support these sudden social changes.

The #nodebate thing is totally counterproductive - reasonable people think "why not debate it?". Only the spectacularly humourless and defensive believe debate is a bad thing, and their problem now is that they have created a silo around themselves and not had to hone their argument to defend their unreasonable demands.

I'd really like to see Nancy Kelly explain to the mother of a woman with learning disability (who is x7 more likely to be sexually assaulted than a woman without a learning disability) why the wishes of able bodied male people who would like to be perceived as female are more important than her daughter, who has two protected characteristics, right to safety, privacy and dignity.

I'd pay money to see that discussion, I really would.

Mothers do not ignore risk to their children, and we can spot a threat at 100 yards. I consider Nancy Kelly and her aims to be a threat to my daughter's safety and wellbeing, and she is a teenager without a learning disability, trauma or more vulnerability than any other young woman.

I'd meet Nancy Kelly in a public debate, and I'd invite Starmer, Davies, Sturgeon, Cole-Hamilton, Harvie and Sarwar while I was at it. I'd like to hear their arguments about why our society needs incarcerated women to be raped by male people.

We could have a patient queue of the millions of women who use MN to get a minute each in front of a panel of that lot. We'd be polite and calm and eviscerating.

And so, I do think that it could collapse quickly - especially if Someone manages to investigate what on earth Stonewall have done with 7-nearly 9 million pounds a YEAR.

If the "where is the common sense?" question doesn't get that wall tumbling the "where is the money?" question might.

Money talks. The safety, privacy and dignity of vulnerable female people does not.

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 05/11/2021 20:43

@RepentBirthingPersonFucker

Theresa May opened this door. She thought it was a way to get easy vote. Massive lack of any thinking from her Feminist my arse
It looks like it was Theresa May and Justine Greening to me...perhaps continuing Cameron's agenda. At least when Johnson became PM self-id was shelved. Appointing new people who do not believe in gender woo is the only way out of this and that seems to have begun to happen at the BBC and at EHRC. Clearly something has gone very wrong with Stonewall exerting influence 'under the radar' everywhere....it would be good to know whether that only dates from 2015 when the T was adopted or whether they were already embedded and that is what gave them such easy traction.
Manderleyagain · 05/11/2021 21:08

It can't only be stonewall, because they only added the t in 2015, but police forces started recording crime by self id gender back in about 2009. No one knows how the practice started but it did. So I think it's unrealistic to blame it all on stonewall.

Manderleyagain · 05/11/2021 21:11

"We are definitely watching the BBC being uncaptured.

I'm still resolutely of the opinion that none of this is indicative of a sea change, turning tide, or other signs of a new dawn or [insert your preferred expression]."

Yes I think I agree with you really. But it does appear to be the beginning of what will be a long reversal of the ferret.

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