Another Guardian article.....

[EmmaGrundyForPM]

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/nov/01/a-new-start-after-60-petra-wenham-transition-transgender?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1635751897

Why are they trying to drive this agenda? And of course, no interview with his wife, no discussion of the impact on her.

@apalledandshocked. I agree she seems very nice, I haven't got an issue with her, more with The Guardian churning out yet another fluffy piece about how lovely it is to transition. But yes, interesting point about Petra musing that if she'd transitioned as a teen, she'd have missed out on her marriage and children.

@NotBadConsidering

Transitioning cures colitis? I’ve heard it all now 🙄.

“If the internet had been there when I was in my late teens, early 20s, would I have done it? The chances are yes, I probably would. But then again, I would have missed out on Loraine, the family, the grandchildren. It’s a difficult call.”

Maybe Petra can do some TED Talks to kids to tell them how wonderful all this stuff is that they won’t get if they start puberty blockers, wrong sex hormones and surgery. There is certainly a dearth of older trans people willing to advise young people about what else life can offer.

Yup, instead of touring WI gaslighting women dismissively about there being no conflict of rights as a 70 year old male now using the wrong sex services, perhaps telling kids waiting is ok would be better.

But no, the women need bullshitting lest they think for themselves and become evil terfs.

It's a pretty common pattern in transvestism that the dressing escalates until the person wants to start doing it out of the home.

Fulltime "transition" seems to just be the ultimate culmination of this in these elderly men. The ultimate expression of the paraphilia.

It was the implication that transitioning magically cured Petra's colitis that made this article stand out for me. Pretty low, even for the Graun (which used to be my paper of choice, long ago).

[quote EmmaGrundyForPM]@apalledandshocked. I agree she seems very nice, I haven't got an issue with her, more with The Guardian churning out yet another fluffy piece about how lovely it is to transition. But yes, interesting point about Petra musing that if she'd transitioned as a teen, she'd have missed out on her marriage and children.[/quote]
Also the bit about not expecting the children in the family to suddenly turn around and call her grandma. A quite healthy dose of reality running through the piece and in Petra's attitude, the way this is written. Only one side of the story though, I know.

Compare this with the screenshot on another thread from the trans parents sending their five year old to therapy for not respecting their pronouns.

@Wildfart

Petra aims to bring trans awareness to people and dispel the myths and misinformation that abounds around the subject.

Please join us for a talk by Petra Wenham, a trans woman and WI member. Petra will talk about her journey as an introduction to a presentation on transgender conditions, chromosomes and genes, intersex conditions, the role of the media, social media and the Internet, the legal and legislative side. Petra aims to bring trans awareness to people and dispel the myths and misinformation that abounds around the subject.

So here's the education agenda.
Harmless old Wenham explaining the usual nonsense.

Single sex services are a myth. It's free choice for men, women can suck it up buttercup.

Male and female is a myth. Intersex proves everything. We just don't know who's male or female without checking their pants/chromosomes.

Wenham is not harmless.

I wonder if they would still do the talk if there was a gc woman speaking after.

"“If the internet had been there when I was in my late teens, early 20s, would I have done it? The chances are yes, I probably would. But then again, I would have missed out on Loraine, the family, the grandchildren. It’s a difficult call.”

Its incredibly subtle but I think that marks a change in tone from other guardian articles. I mean, its tiny, but they are at least saying that there is an advantage to "wait and see".

I don't read it like that at all. Petra says that it's a 'difficult call' whether it would have been better (for Petra) if Petra's children and grandchildren didn't exist. I find that quite chilling.

I will believe in a change of tone when someone like Petra says that of course having their family was more important than indulging their fantasy of being a woman, and that children should be given a chance to make that same choice as adults, not have their options removed before they really understand what it means.

“But then again, I would have missed out on Loraine, the family, the grandchildren. It’s a difficult call.”

And what would Loraine have done differently I wonder, if she’d known this was in her future? Perhaps we’ll never know, because as usual, the wife’s feelings and opinions are ignored.

The most interesting thing about this article is the fact the G though they should dig it up after all this time. As someone else said, they are trying to cover up the inconvinient 'hate facts' that keep leaking out (not in the G, obvs)

@VillKrill

It was the implication that transitioning magically cured Petra's colitis that made this article stand out for me. Pretty low, even for the Graun (which used to be my paper of choice, long ago).

Colitis is affected by hormones and by stress so it's entirely possible lifestyle changes of the kind Petra made can put it into remission.

@Kaibashira

What I find interesting is that while you often hear stories of men transitioning post-60, I don't think I've ever heard of a post-60 FtM transition. Which is not to say they don't happen, although I would be surprised. My feeling is that come 60-odd, the man (assuming he's been an employee/employer, husband, father, maybe breadwinner) feels liberated from what he feels is expected of him and decides he can finally do what he wants. Whereas for post-60 women there's maybe not that same sense of liberation from expected gender roles - maybe there are elderly relatives to care for, maybe they are still doing all the wifework, maybe they're less financially secure in the event of transition leading to divorce... I know these are sweeping generalisations but the older, latterly-transitioned transwoman seems so prominent, it's striking that there are no female (transman) equivalents. If there were, would their stories not be equally meritous of coverage?

I knew a woman, slightly, who transitioned in her 40s. Married with one or two kids.

But I've never even heard of another example, so I do think it's not that common.

I think the psychology of it is totally different than it is for men.

@Spinelessaurus

And still no explanation of what it means. What makes them feel they are really a woman? What's changed since the transition? What are they achieving that they couldn't do as a man?

When you say you identify as woman what do you mean exactly?

Do you feel any sort of shared bond with other women?

Given that the only real difference between a man and a woman is that men are born and brought up in male bodies and women are born and brought up in female ones can you see why I think that your claims are horseshit - and dangerous, misogynistic horseshit at that?