Sarah Phillimore amazing work on looking at the '19,000+' signatures on the Open letter to BBC complaining about the Lesbians pressured into sex article.

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I think I've put too much in the title!

Sarah Phillimore has done some great work here looking properly at the signatures to the Open Letter to the BBC.

19,000 signatures? More like 9,701? Really interesting.

sarahphillimore.substack.com/p/repent-repent

Arent some of theae signatures hate crimes?

@StealthPolarBear

Arent some of theae signatures hate crimes?

Non crime hate incidents definitely

Rather ironic complaining about a 10,000 plus letter when the Get The L Out "survey" was of what 80 people, and quoted in the BBC against their own guidelines of what a survey should have to remove bias?

Made me laugh.

Article in The Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ad1a27a0-3b56-11ec-a9ce-48a11f44f00d?shareToken=5f00b40155e24f0dfda164c31afb3e1d

I did actually read that open letter. Well, I read most of it. I got a couple of pages in and I honestly couldn't really make sense of what they were driving it. It was quite rambling with poor paragraph and sentence structure which made it hard to follow. If you're going to make a 'complaint' at least make sure it a coherent one!

@MishyJDI

Rather ironic complaining about a 10,000 plus letter when the Get The L Out "survey" was of what 80 people, and quoted in the BBC against their own guidelines of what a survey should have to remove bias?

Made me laugh.

Lol, bless.

Rather ironic complaining about a 10,000 plus letter when the Get The L Out "survey" was of what 80 people, and quoted in the BBC against their own guidelines of what a survey should have to remove bias?

Made me laugh.

Just like the study on 7 athletes self reporting times spread over , in some cases decades, which opened female sport to male athletes. No bias against women there?

Made me scream.

Oh and by the way Mishy , how many women raped is needed to get over claim of bias. One, two, fifty, 100, 1000 ?

Another article in the Times - this one a comment piece from James Kirkup, about BBC impartiality and using the response to the article as an example:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/25f08100-3b4e-11ec-a9ce-48a11f44f00d?shareToken=51c979fa95f83975f3971fc0a45677c7

“Those [internal BBC] voices were amplified by external activists. More than 10,000 people have signed an open letter to the BBC that does not question the accuracy of those victims’ accounts, but insists that the corporation should still not have reported them because of the upset that doing so might cause some transgender people.

This bizarre campaign is also sending a flood of complaints to the BBC and its regulator, Ofcom, and bolstering the “values” faction within the corporation. To deliver on his good words about fostering debate without fear or favour, Davie will need to stand his ground when that deluge reaches his office.“

@MishyJDI

Rather ironic complaining about a 10,000 plus letter when the Get The L Out "survey" was of what 80 people, and quoted in the BBC against their own guidelines of what a survey should have to remove bias?

Made me laugh.

Are Stonewall paying you or something? I see your name crop up on thread after thread, posting utter bollocks.

Are Stonewall paying you or something? I see your name crop up on thread after thread, posting utter bollocks

Lols 😆

@MishyJDI

Rather ironic complaining about a 10,000 plus letter when the Get The L Out "survey" was of what 80 people, and quoted in the BBC against their own guidelines of what a survey should have to remove bias?

Made me laugh.

Stop trying to make 'the article was based on the survey' happen, its not going to happen!

The article was based on the testimonies of lesbians and screenshots and quotes from TRAs and Stonewall. It stands exactly the same without the survey.

@MishyJDI

Rather ironic complaining about a 10,000 plus letter when the Get The L Out "survey" was of what 80 people, and quoted in the BBC against their own guidelines of what a survey should have to remove bias?

Made me laugh.

And the OIC changed their guidelines based on….. what for it Mishy…. 8!!!! N=8!

Anyway, you are again missing the entire point with your ‘supposedly clever gotcha’. The point is it is actually a lie! The numbers are fake.

What part of that did you not actually understand?

Less than 10k… And they would have needed 10K genuine signatures for a response from parliament….

Kinda different to 80 completely disclosed self selected qualitative in-depth respondents where the author also states they are aware it may not be representative.

Blimey… first was telling a Stonewall founder they need to be educated on gay rights history to this…

Are Stonewall paying you or something? I see your name crop up on thread after thread, posting utter bollocks.

Maybe the way Mishy keeping saying they are donating to Stonewall, Mishy might be Stonewall’s only major donor soon.

The corporates are dropping like flies and I cannot imagine the same numbers continuing after their comments about lesbians over this weekend and the Stephen Nolan podcast.

Mishy, keep it going and you will be the top donor soon!!

Ah yes non-crime hate incidents, thanks.

@MishyJDI

Rather ironic complaining about a 10,000 plus letter when the Get The L Out "survey" was of what 80 people, and quoted in the BBC against their own guidelines of what a survey should have to remove bias?

Made me laugh.

She who laughs last, laughs longest and I doubt they is much laughter in Stonewall at present thankfully. The often used and quoted mindlessly by politicians suicide stats are false based on 27 people who were asked but you are unhappy about a survey of 80 lesbians?

Good interview with Helen Joyce on this topic:

I know the Helen Joyce interview was posted on the other thread but thought it was worth putting it here as well.

@StandUpStraight

I read that article, FindTheTruth (ironic username, by the way) - so depressing that the “20,000 speaking out” is the bit that will become lore, thanks to stupid headlines like that. The article itself is nowhere near as bad as the headline. Although it fails to dig into the letter or the alleged 20,000, it does rather leave you with the impression that there isn’t anything for the 20,000 to complain about.

So annoying that the Telegraph don’t allow comments on things like this.

yes the headline will be read by the majority (on social media) and the article by the minority who click through from the homepage or elsewhere. IF the journalists looked on here or women's twitter feeds they'd find new data like BBC feedback and analysis of that letter data

prudence that interview is so good it can't be shared enough

@prudencepuffin

I know the Helen Joyce interview was posted on the other thread but thought it was worth putting it here as well.

I hadn't seen it so thank you, it was worthwhile posting

A Citizens Advice signed it ?

In fact two people from Citizens Advice Leeds. Aren't they supposed to be impartial as one of their principles?

I think Sarah Phillimore does amazing work but not sure why she didn’t give more of a benefit of the doubt to the overseas signatures. Why shouldn’t British citizens overseas care about the workings of the bbc? I am in australia and didn’t sign it although I am a citizen, but while living in the uk wouldn’t have hesitated to sign such a thing for an Australian institution.

Just to be clear, mishy you laughed when reading the accounts of gay women being forced or coerced into sex?
Can you please clarify this for me, as I think that pushes "civility" a bit far.

An extract from the open letter,

"Most of the people that this article cites do not talk about not wanting to sleep with transgender women with penises, they do not want to sleep with people they see as men, or see as having 'male' genitals. This should make it very clear what those interviewed have on the legal status of the gender of transgender women"

Says it all really.