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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

well done Lionshead solicitors

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seethesuninwintertime · 29/10/2021 12:31

for their robust report on Forstater:

lionsheadlaw.co.uk/a-gender-critical-belief-is-a-philosophical-belief-which-is-entitled-to-be-protected-under-the-equality-act-2010/

Roar!

OP posts:
GlitterBiscuits · 29/10/2021 12:53

Well done to them

I wonder if it will get any coverage?,

Reptar · 29/10/2021 12:58

I can't share the link but I've archived that.

seethesuninwintertime · 29/10/2021 15:47

It shouldn't need coverage - it is coverage. It's just straight to the point and doesn't sacrifice accuracy which shouldn't be unusual. But
solicitors are generally under a lot of pressure not to offend anyone influential.

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highame · 29/10/2021 16:16

This is an extremely important judgment and employers, service providers, landlords, educational bodies, trade unions and other associations must now ensure that any stance they have taken on discussion of trans rights or any diversity training they may have given to staff does not give rise to potential discrimination against existing or prospective staff on their gender critical beliefs. Diversity training and the provision of protections for trans-people must not be done in a way that leads to people with gender-critical beliefs being subjected to any detriments. The use of pejorative terms such as “TERF” (trans exclusionary radical feminist) or even “transphobe” to describe those holding gender critical views could now, in certain circumstances, amount to unlawful harassment.

Any organisation which has implemented diversity training for its staff may want to revisit that training in light of this judgment. Staff handbooks which make reference to trans rights may also need to be revised.

and these are a stonking good couple of paragraphs to finish. I should think Kathleen Stock should take a close look because her Union failed to support her,.

Thanks Op

nothingcomestonothing · 29/10/2021 19:24

Thanks for this OP, I'll be sending it to our E&D dept, before they try yet again to make me attend the 'diversity' (i.e. yay for trans) training.

OperationDessertStorm · 29/10/2021 20:16

I need to save this somewhere

tricervixtops · 29/10/2021 23:14

Everyone should save this somewhere. Thanks OP

Olderbadger1 · 29/10/2021 23:36

Oooo. Very useful. Thanks OP.

CircusSands · 30/10/2021 08:46

Thanks OP, I've also saved it, could be very useful.

Grumpyosaurus · 30/10/2021 09:09

I'll point DH at that as he keeps being hassled at work to display his pronouns.

BoxOfDreams · 30/10/2021 09:15

Saving this thread!

Nilbog · 30/10/2021 09:19

Thank you for posting this seethesuninwintertime

I’m a fan of Belinda Lester, I’m thrilled to this.

Crankyoldboiler · 30/10/2021 09:20

"The use of perjorative terms such as "TERF" or even "transphobe" to describe those holding gender critical views could now, under certain circumstances, constitute unlawful harassment." Gender critical beliefs are protected under the Equality Act 2010. I am going to send this brilliant, succinct summary of the Forstater judgement to my MSPs and ask them for their comments, particularly on the last two paragraphs, and ask them to confirm that Scotgov equality and diversity training complies with the law. An awareness campaign among the Stonewalled could gain a lot of traction.

JKDinomum · 30/10/2021 09:23

Thanks for this. So important.

ChattyLion · 30/10/2021 10:14

This is really useful summary especially the closing paras quoted.

I would love it if solicitors could publish more examples of what poor organisational practice is post-Forstater ideally though- maybe it could even inform a training that women’s groups could provide at a charge to corporate organisations to generate some income for themselves.

So many employers (for example) don’t understand what Forstater means. They’ll think imposing Stonelaw is doing the right thing because that what they’ve paid to be told. So this is not only about staff training creating an anti-woman and anti-lesbian climate in professional groups etc - its also all the rest of the things that some companies bring in to be ‘progressive’ too. And some of them without even bothering to spend money on the kind of staff training that can create that climate, just motivated out of their own misogynistic instincts.

Women post on here about all sorts of pressures that come out of this dogma - like to get everyone on staff to use pronouns professionally in meetings and email signatures, which is also a way of outing gender critical people. Or employers removing single sex washing toileting or changing facilities from staff. Or those allowing opposite-sex colleagues who want to, to use unadapted single-sex facilities. Would be really useful if the ability of women to object to all these things without fear (based on the protected beliefs established in Forstater) could be outlined in one place or one training package.

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