When you agree with Vladimir Putin....

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10117735/Vladimir-Putin-slams-monstrous-West-teaching-children-change-gender.html#comments

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/10/22/putin-valdai-speech-trump-cancel-culture/

"teaching a boy that they can become a girl"....."crimes against humanity"

The psychology of these silly little attacks is interesting in its childishness. That bad man there thinks that people cannot change sex, so we must think exactly the opposite!

'Cis' is completely meaningless, so nobody can be forced to pretend to be 'cis'.

That scraping sound? It's the bottom of the barrel, genderwooers.

Off you fuck and debate the colour of the sky with Putin. I'm sure he'll be fascinated to hear it's actually green because of course you won't be agreeing with him on anything.

Welcome to Mumsnet Rororowan. Congratulations on finding this board so easily and amazingly bumping this old thread.

You're one of a number of brand new posters gracing us with your presence. Do stick around and do some reading - you'll find out lots about women's rights, the law, the importance of child safeguarding as well as the occasional recipe. Enjoy the company of awesome women

No, he wasn't. He loved meat but had digestive problems so his doctor prescribed him a vegetarian diet, which he did not follow.

That was originally the case but there are multiple eyewitness accounts that he self-identified as vegetarian over concerns for animal welfare.

Of course you'd have to be an utter fucking moron to think it's linked to him being a monster.

Nearly as stupid as thinking the fact Putin knows what a woman is means anyone supporting women's rights is evil.

War is terrible for women.

Putin doesn't give a shit about women.

"forcing kids to be cis"

Funnily enough "cis" is something invented by people who believe in gender ideology. Feminists don't agree with it as a term as it categorises people using regressive stereotypes.

forcing kids to pretend to be cis does a great deal more harm than simply allowing them to be trans.

I wonder if Rororowan will come back and explain what a 'trans child' is. Is it a child who was 'born in the wrong body', or is there another definition?

@Goatsaregreat

Welcome to Mumsnet Rororowan. Congratulations on finding this board so easily and amazingly bumping this old thread.

You're one of a number of brand new posters gracing us with your presence. Do stick around and do some reading - you'll find out lots about women's rights, the law, the importance of child safeguarding as well as the occasional recipe. Enjoy the company of awesome women

Yes indeed, Bunbury is recognising so many familiar tactics today. So many OP s and screenshots to be harvested for the credulous or those who post/act in bad faith.

And spot on with the advice to stick around, read, and learn…

I may not have the chance to ask him personally, but I should expect that Putin and I would very much agree on a large number of questions, including: "is it, generally speaking, preferable to find oneself on the presence of breathable, oxygenated air?", "do you personally positively enjoy being kicked in the shin?", "given the choice between a multi-million lottery win and bankruptcy: which one would you pick?", and "would you tend to agree that the sky is typically not depicted as being yellow in crude drawings?".

For all I know, Putin and I might even share the same taste in food, music, art and entertainment (well, maybe not the latter: I do ride horses, but I've yet to try it while going topless).

Surely, none of this has any bearing on his general moral character or stance on specific questions.

This has got to be the fallacy of ... whatever the polar opposite of "ad hominem" is. (Best guess, without having researched it any further: argument from authority?). And it has the devastating effect of minimising the indefensible by highlighting the "positive" aspects.

In a nutshell: @PicsInRed nails it!

I heard him earlier today saying Cadbury's Wispas have got really small and I found myself nodding along.

I imagine there are lots of things I'd agree with VP about. I suspect you would too, OP.

I also disagree with him about some things.

Assassinating people using radioactive materials, for example. I am very anti-that, but he is pro. I am anti-shirtless horseback riding. He is pro.

But, I like Orthodox chant, which I believe he does also.

@Rororowan

It is worth bearing in mind that one of the early nazi moves was to destroy books and institutions focussed on gender science. Trans people have always existed, and forcing kids to pretend to be cis does a great deal more harm than simply allowing them to be trans.

I agree that book burning is bad, science is good and that there have always been some amazing, interesting and trailblazing people that haven’t conformed to gender stereotypes or what society tries to force on them. But forcing women to pretend that sex doesn’t exist in sport, sexual orientation, prisons and employment does a great deal more harm than simply allowing women to be recognised and grouped as female with their own particular needs and making arrangements for other groups around that.

I'm always going to agree with Vladimir Putin on some things, and not others.

If Westboro Baptist Church members told me today is Friday, I would agree with them that it is.
If a paedophile told me Boris Johnson is the Prime Minister, I would agree it was true.

Precisely this. I wish people would stop acting as though it's astounding to agree with a person you don't like because you disagree with most of their other views. It's not astounding at all. It's completely and utterly normal.

Are we allowed to mention that the first transition operations were by surgeon Erwin Gohrbandt? So including “Danish girl” Lili Elbe? And he was the Nazi surgeon at Dachau? Got special awards from Hitler?