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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Origins of the Genderbread person

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WarriorN · 22/10/2021 09:54

By Julian Vigo - excellent and chilling analysis.

savageminds.substack.com/p/the-professionalisation-of-the-gender

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 22/10/2021 10:09

Thoroughly unnerving. It should be read alongside this on the same site:

savageminds.substack.com/p/the-power-of-the-senseless

WarriorN · 22/10/2021 10:15

Yes another excellent analysis of the problem.

She's been writing excellent stuff about this for a long time, she was one of the first writer I was aware of questioning and researching this ideology. (Julian is a woman.)

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WarriorN · 22/10/2021 10:17

Another good listen:

https://savageminds.substack.com/p/genspect?r=nbcqt&utmcampaign=post&utmmmedium=web&utmsource=

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/10/2021 10:20

To be fair to the gender bread drawer - there aren't really any experts in trans stuff because there isn't much in the way of decent evidence to develop expertise from.

So, an opportunistic person who has failed at comedy and spots a marketable ruse, well, fair play to him.

He's as legit as any one else.

Fucking terrifying

WarriorN · 22/10/2021 10:21

He also classifies rape as a sexuality.

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WarriorN · 22/10/2021 10:22

Julian is right, it's all snake oil.

Still reading trans by H Joyce; so easy to see how this spin into an ideology that made a lot of people a lot of money.

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WeeBisom · 22/10/2021 10:48

This bit about how gender can change throughout the day is insane: “You wake up wearing baggy gray sweatpants and a T-shirt. As you walk into your kitchen to prepare breakfast, you’re expressing an androgynous-to-slightly-masculine gender. However, you see your partner in the kitchen and decide to prowl in like Halle Berry from Catwoman, then you are expressing much more femininely. You pour a bowl of cereal, wrap your fist around a spoon like a Viking, and start shoveling Fruit Loops into your face, and all-of-a-sudden you’re bumping up your levels of masculinity. After breakfast, you skip back into your bedroom and playfully place varying outfits in front of you, pleading with your partner to help you decide what to wear. You’re feminine again.”

Why does every behaviour and action have to be analysed through the lens of gender? Why on earth is eating cereal in a certain way masculine and picking out clothes to wear is feminine? Why is wearing a t shirt and sweatpants slightly masculine? Isn’t this just regressive sexist bullshit?

EarthSight · 22/10/2021 11:06

The prose rests firmly at the intersection of rantings by someone under heavy sedation and a slick salesperson talking shit. Killermann asks the reader, “It is likely that your gender expression changes frequently without you even thinking about it. How about an example?”

You wake up wearing baggy gray sweatpants and a T-shirt. As you walk into your kitchen to prepare breakfast, you’re expressing an androgynous-to-slightly-masculine gender. However, you see your partner in the kitchen and decide to prowl in like Halle Berry from Catwoman, then you are expressing much more femininely. You pour a bowl of cereal, wrap your fist around a spoon like a Viking, and start shoveling Fruit Loops into your face, and all-of-a-sudden you’re bumping up your levels of masculinity. After breakfast, you skip back into your bedroom and playfully place varying outfits in front of you, pleading with your partner to help you decide what to wear. You’re feminine again

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 22/10/2021 11:13

The part that EarthSight quotes above showcases the power of stories, no matter how nonsensical they are. One of the phrases that hits home for me in the Vaclav Havel essay (analysis linked above) is the "hypnotic charm" of an ideology.

In an era when metaphysical and existential certainties are in a state of crisis, when people are being uprooted and alienated and are losing their sense of what this world means, this ideology inevitably has a certain hypnotic charm. To wandering humankind it offers an immediately available home: all one has to do is accept it, and suddenly everything becomes clear once more, life takes on new meaning, and all mysteries, unanswered questions, anxiety, and loneliness vanish. Of course, one pays dearly for this low-rent home: the price is abdication of one’ s own reason, conscience, and responsibility, for an essential aspect of this ideology is the consignment of reason and conscience to a higher authority.

hac.bard.edu/amor-mundi/the-power-of-the-powerless-vaclav-havel-2011-12-23

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