'Stonewall can no longer play judge and jury'

[MiladyBerserko]

Sarah Ditum in The Times

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bec8f37c-3111-11ec-afd6-aa3ee2eb8a34?shareToken=be76d3e05816fcaf856b0250ba4fae77

Fantastic article.

Good for Sarah Ditum. The Times have been awesome over this issue. Exposing so many issues and unashamedly giving a voice to marginalised women's voices in the mainstream press at a time when the rest were in thrall to Stonewall.

I'd be so happy to see the back of what has become Stonegrift.

Excellent article.

Great stuff.

How did they get so much power in the first place?

That is a brilliant article. Absolutely nails it.

Round of applause for Sarah Ditum who deserves any permutation of that suits her.

I read this in the comments which was news to me,

The Judicial College are being challenged in Court tomorrow by Maya Forstater for concealing their ‘training’ by a lobby group

Anyone know any more? Is there a thread?

(Very good article.)

@SpindelWhorl

I read this in the comments which was news to me,

The Judicial College are being challenged in Court tomorrow by Maya Forstater for concealing their ‘training’ by a lobby group

Anyone know any more? Is there a thread?

(Very good article.)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4379444-Maya-back-in-court-tomorrow-20th-Oct

hiyamaya.net/2021/10/19/gendered-intelligence-trains-judges-in-secret-i-am-going-to-court-to-try-to-break-the-secrecy/

Brilliant, thanks, EmbarrassingDino.

What is the Maya case tomorrow mentioned in the article?

Yes it's well written. But a big part of the problem is that mainstream media journalists now wait until the tide has well and truly turned before they even consider getting their swimsuits on. They leave it up to the brave folk who research, speak out on SM, post on you tube, write blogs, get shouted down, sacked, vilified, threatened and abused and then when it is safe and only then, they voice an opinion. The increasingly pusillanimous mainstream media is one of the main reasons this whole damaging gender ideology has gone so far. She gives a passing nod to Nolan who is the real heto here but doesn't explain her years of silence on the issue. Hypocritical lickspittles and grifters all.

That's a great summary of the Nolan podcasts! Will be very useful to show people when you can't ask them to spend several hours listening to get the point.

She gives a passing nod to Nolan who is the real heto here but doesn't explain her years of silence on the issue.

Sarah Ditum has spoken up regularly. As for late-arriving people, Helen Joyce reminds us that it's eyes on the prize and remember what it is that we need. There is no vindication here just the hard grift of winning back women's rights and restoring safeguarding measures.

There is a cost to being in the trenches and a known figure in any controversial area. Nobody wants to be reminded of a time when they were on the wrong side of history.

There's a phenomenon known as 'premature anti-[X]' and two of the best known instances are to have been a premature anti-fascist or a premature anti-Nazi. Explained in more detail here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4366709-Abigail-Shrier-Marci-Bowers-critical-of-puberty-blockers?msgid=111375587

It's easier for later-arriving people to be taken more seriously and treated with greater respect. It's not fair, but that's typically what happens and it's very similar to the treatment of whistleblowers.

@Andante57

How did they get so much power in the first place?

This is a really important question, because chances are it's not a one-off.

Cranky not sure I understand your comment, Sarah Ditum has been writing and speaking about this stuff for (literally) years, and has had plenty of grief for it from Stonewall and the like!

@Crankyoldboiler

Yes it's well written. But a big part of the problem is that mainstream media journalists now wait until the tide has well and truly turned before they even consider getting their swimsuits on. They leave it up to the brave folk who research, speak out on SM, post on you tube, write blogs, get shouted down, sacked, vilified, threatened and abused and then when it is safe and only then, they voice an opinion. The increasingly pusillanimous mainstream media is one of the main reasons this whole damaging gender ideology has gone so far. She gives a passing nod to Nolan who is the real heto here but doesn't explain her years of silence on the issue. Hypocritical lickspittles and grifters all.

I think you've confused Sarah Ditum with someone else?

One of our judges is a male who thinks he is female, I wonder what influence that has on the Judicial College. From a Times article:

"Victoria McCloud was the youngest Queen’s Bench Master of the High Court of England and Wales when she was appointed, aged 40, in 2010 — and is only the second woman to hold that post."

This is a really important question, because chances are it's not a one-off

I wondered if they’d bribed high ranking employees of institutions but it can’t be that as someone would’ve spilt the beans by now.

Sarah Ditum is a good writer - sums it all up perfectly. I hope she's right, we've seen false dawns before. I try not to get too excited.

Thank you for the article

Another one here confused by this comment above:
"She gives a passing nod to Nolan who is the real heto here but doesn't explain her years of silence on the issue. Hypocritical lickspittles and grifters all."

Did something get missed when typing this post or is it genuinely referring to Sarah Ditum having been 'silent' on this?

@Andante57 I don't know if you've seen this before -
whatisawoman.uk?page=TheDentonsdocument

Good article bur the Stonewall scandal should be a front page spread in all the papers!