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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Secondary school lgbt+ policy

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DraintheBlood · 19/10/2021 18:13

I have been visiting secondary schools and reading policies to make decisions for next year. This won’t be the school we choose so this isn’t a post for help about what to do. Rather I thought others should see this policy. I light of the thread about the boy who raped girls in the girls toilets, that he had accessed by wearing a skirt (it’s not clear if he identifies as transgender or just pretends to be to access girls toilets). I won’t post identifying details or the entire policy, but where I miss parts out it doesn’t alter the context or meaning, just that I’m only posting the concerning or horrifying sections. There’s plenty sections that are fine, that are about not harassing or similar, which are totally appropriate. Although, could also covered just fine in an anti bullying policy I’d imagine.

For context the school this policy comes from has the ofsted rating ‘good’. It has a dedicated autism unit and takes in more pupils with send than many other secondaries in the area. This is not a statutory policy, just an additional extra the school have used resources to put together. The school have been named on everyone’s invited site (incidents of peer on peer abuse).

Policy intention/aims-

‘Learning environment should be supportive, safe and welcoming to gender diversity.’

‘Aim to consistently reduce stigmatisation, and improve the educational integration, of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, allies, and pansexual (lgbt+) individuals.’

‘school commutes to valuing, respecting and understanding individuals’ differing sexual and gender identities, as well as providing support.’

In the part that lists policies to be considered along side this one it lists several, but not safeguarding or child protection policies

In the definitions section it explains lesbian or gay as women/men who are ‘mostly’ attracted to same sex.

‘Queer- umbrella term for sexual and gender identities that are not heterosexual or cisgender.’

‘Trans- umbrella term that refers to all identities within gender identity spectrum other cisgender.’

‘Transgender- an individual whose gender expression or identity is different from that traditionally associated with the sex they were assigned at birth.’

As person may ‘express trans identity through behaviour, clothing, hairstyles, activities, voices, mannerisms.’

Staff responsibilities -

‘ensure staff and pupils understand an individuals preferred name and correct pronouns to use.’

‘conducting themselves in a way to ensure lgbtq+ individuals feel safe and comfortable in school eg ensure they use correct pronouns.’

‘Teaching pupils about diversity and difference and explaining it is good to be understanding of others.’

DSL responsibilities-

‘reviewing relevant policies and procedures to ensure they cater for the individual needs of lgbtq+ people eg changing rooms.’

Pupils responsibilities-

‘adopting an open-minded attitude to difference.’

School councillor responsibilities-

‘ensure lgbtq+ pupils and staffs needs are catered for.’

Next section-

‘teaching of gender identities, sexuality and the lgbtq+ community will be incorporated into pshe lessons to promote acceptance and understanding’

Single gender activities (I presume sex Ed type things as pe/sport comes later) -lgbtq+ pupils will be encouraged to attend the class that represents their preferred gender identity.’

‘Pupils will be educated on inclusive language and name calling, and incidences of such will not be tolerated.’

‘Staff given training on lgbtq+ friendly language.’

‘School will establish which pronouns and terms each lgbtq+ individual would prefer and any terms or pronouns that make them uncomfortable.’

‘any member of school who experiences difficulty in adjusting to the change of terminology will be giving appropriate training and encouraged to use terms the individual is comfortable with.’

‘School will celebrate transgender day of remembrance.’

‘Provide up-to-date on terms, concepts and current understanding of gender identity, gender expression m, gender diversity and sexual orientation, including in training.’

Sport and PE -

‘Lgbtq+ pupils encouraged to engage in pe or sports in a manner consistent with their preferred gender identity.’

‘School manage pe to prevent discomfort or discrimination’ (presumably for lgbt+ pupils)

Toilets and changing rooms-

‘Trans individuals can access the toilets and changing facilities that they prefer.’

‘Unisex toilets and changing facilities available’ (I’ve seen one these ‘unisex’ faculties when I was showed round. It is a block of mixed sex toilets, that are regular toilets with thin flimsy partitions and doors with gaps at top and bottom and wash basins outside. So breaking the building regulation act on school toilets).

Residentials-

‘School will ensure trans pupils are able to sleep in rooms appropriate to their preferred gender identity.’

Documentation-

‘Unofficial school documents will use a trans pupils preferred name’ (it’s obvious below this does not need to include parents agreement).

‘At no point will staff disclose information regarding lgbtq+ pupils gender identity, gender expression or sexuality m, unless instructed to do so by the pupil.’

‘If a trans pupil discloses they wish to attend the school in their preferred gender identity school will enable that. Pupils can request parents are not involved.’

Prejudicial bullying -

‘Transphobia’ after the definition has ‘eg purposely using the incorrect pronoun’ and that this ‘will be dealt with seriously.’ Followed directly by ‘Staff have the power to discipline pupils who misbehave inside and outside of school premises.’ So even once children leave school they can be disciplined by school the next day for not using the pronouns a trans kid prefers.

At the end they have a glossary. In addition to the earlier definition the ones that are down right terrifying in light of this policy are-

‘Bigender- a gender identity where the person moves between feminine and masculine gender identity and behaviours depending on the situation they are in.’

The list has FAAB & MAAB.

‘Gender queer- a person who identifies their gender identity as neither female or male or a combination of female and male or in between or beyond genders.’

‘Genderfluid- the way in which gender identity changes over time. The person might switch between male and female, gender neutral, or any other non binary identity, or a combination of more than one.’

‘Gender identity- persons internal feelings of being male or female, regardless of what they were assigned at birth.’

‘Gender variant- behaviour or gender expression that does not masculine or feminine norms.’

‘Non binary- does not conform to the social norms of female and male.’

‘Pangender- people who identify as all genders.’

‘Pansexual- attracted to people of any sex or gender. Same as omnisexual.’

‘Stealth-trans individual who lives as transgender identity but who does not reveal transgender status.’

‘Mia gender- assign a gender to individuals based on the gender they were assigned at birth rather than their preferred gender identity.’

So, ignoring the grammar used by people who are involved in secondary education, please mumsnet fwr tell me your thoughts.

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DraintheBlood · 19/10/2021 18:33

There’s a few typos that don’t detract from meaning so I won’t bother with them. But-

‘Provide up to date education on terms, concepts and current understanding of gender identity, gender expression, gender diversity and sexuality, including in children.’

In children not in training.

Which makes it worse.

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SiobhanSharpe · 19/10/2021 18:42

Bloody hell, OP!
So much wrong with this it's hard to know where to start.
The word salad makes your brain hurt, too.
But the main point is -- what about the (mostly) girls who will be severely disadvantaged and/or unhappy or scared about sharing facilities with males, as well as girls who lose out in sports, being denied team places in favour or males who are bigger and stronger .

SiobhanSharpe · 19/10/2021 18:42

...in favour OF males....

NapoleonOzmolysis · 19/10/2021 18:56

How does -
Transphobia’ after the definition has ‘eg purposely using the incorrect pronoun’ and that this ‘will be dealt with seriously.’ Followed directly by ‘Staff have the power to discipline pupils who misbehave inside and outside of school premises.’ So even once children leave school they can be disciplined by school the next day for not using the pronouns a trans kid prefers

Square with -
Stealth-trans individual who lives as transgender identity but who does not reveal transgender status

Practically, how on earth do you manage that?

DraintheBlood · 19/10/2021 18:56

Them calling it an lgbt+ policy is misleading. The lgb are barely an after thought and obviously just a smoke screen.

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Lovelyricepudding · 19/10/2021 18:57

Bigender- a gender identity where the person moves between feminine and masculine gender identity and behaviours depending on the situation they are in.

Surely a Bigender is someone who hails from Blefuscu?

OhHolyJesus · 19/10/2021 19:13

Are you able to complain/register concerns OP? Either with the school, council, LEA...anyone you can think of basically. Even your MP, OFSTED, DoEd?

DraintheBlood · 19/10/2021 19:18

The small autism unit has a large proportion of kids identifying as trans btw.

And this unit is ran by an ‘inclusion officer’.

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DraintheBlood · 19/10/2021 19:31

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/10/2021 19:37

"‘At no point will staff disclose information regarding lgbtq+ pupils gender identity, gender expression or sexuality m, unless instructed to do so by the pupil.’"

"‘If a trans pupil discloses they wish to attend the school in their preferred gender identity school will enable that. Pupils can request parents are not involved.’"

Safeguarding?

trancepants · 19/10/2021 19:48

Just having asexual on that list shows such fucking lack of critical thinking. I'm not particularly convinced that asexual is a sexuality. I suspect it's either a psychological or hormonal issue in most cases. However even assuming it's a real (lack of) sexuality, how the actual fuck can a secondary school student identify as asexual. It's perfectly normal for some teenagers to not feel sexual attraction until they are older. You might just be a late starter or someone who hasn't yet been exposed to someone you find attractive. I had quite a few friends who just were never into guys until college. One or two even longer. So it's a fucking stupid thing to identify as before at least your 20s.

MrGHardy · 19/10/2021 20:11

Boy oh boy

‘Teaching pupils about diversity and difference and explaining it is good to be understanding of others.’

I guess this goes only one direction.

‘Trans individuals can access the toilets and changing facilities that they prefer.’

Of course they can, as said, this only goes one direction.

‘teaching of gender identities, sexuality and the lgbtq+ community will be incorporated into pshe lessons to promote acceptance and understanding’

Indoctrination

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/10/2021 20:25

Is it depressing that I'm relieved they haven't included the identity "genderfuck" as shared with the nation in the Nolan report?

Frankly OP - I'd report that to Ofsted. Or I'd send a link to Safe Schools Alliance who have are quite prepared to challenge schools over professionally dangerous crap like this. It breaches all kinds of legislation:
Safeguarding - keeping secrets from parents. Schools don't have the legal authority to remove parental rights - only the courts can do that.
Mixed sex sleeping, showering, changing and toilets? Really?

Schools like this need outing in public and shaming into behaving professionally and with the needs of all children at the centre - not the demands of lobby groups.

supercritter · 19/10/2021 20:31

Can you send this to Safe schools alliance? They may be interact with the school directly and point out the law

OhHolyJesus · 19/10/2021 20:35

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DraintheBlood · 19/10/2021 20:38

Thanks super I never thought of that. I use their fact sheets to argue with schools but didn’t think of just handing it over to them.

I’ll do that this weekend.

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DraintheBlood · 19/10/2021 20:44

MrsOver I think the glossary reads like a sci-fi movie character list.

Which would be funny if it wasn’t terrifying.

Most of my kids friends are/will be going to this school.

When i asked their ‘inclusion officer’ how they’d safeguard my daughter in the mixed sex toilets (the ones advertised mixed sex, not just all the ones the policy makes mixed sex) I got some fluffy waffle followed by being told that if she felt scared she could use the other ones and that they find this generation much more tolerant.

At that point I walked out.

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DraintheBlood · 19/10/2021 20:56

I know a couple of trans kids at this school also. I can’t see how this policy helps them in any way either. They still will have periods, how does it help them to go change with the boys or use boys toilets then? And sending them off to the boys toilets, even if just by suggestion that’s what they should be using isn’t safeguarding. And including them in a boys sex Ed class or other boys single gender classes (I really don’t know what these are at secondary school) isn’t going to give them factual information they can use to deal with having female bodies snd surely it would make dysphoria worse.

This policy only meets the needs of boys. And only the ones who want to be predatory because actually sending a female bodied transboy into the boys toilets or changing rooms also leaves boys uncomfortable and leaves them open to accusations.

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JurassickJay · 19/10/2021 20:59

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2fallsagain · 20/10/2021 08:50

Can you email us at [email protected] and we can send it over the to DfE and OFSTED. This is an appalling policy.

2fallsagain · 20/10/2021 08:50

When I say us, I am part of SSA.

SpindelWhorl · 20/10/2021 09:14

This is interesting in a terrible way.

I'm just re-reading about the 13 year old girl and the 14 year old girl* who took court action against Oxfordshire County Council and the CPS for the 'T' guidance / 'tool kits' they were producing and supporting.

The High Court found that the OCC guidance was 'arguably unlawful' and allowed it to go to Judicial Review. The CPS and OCC pulled the guidance before it could go to JR. Warwickshire County County followed suit sharpish. This was in 2020.

The position was then that Education Authorities (aka the children's services authorities of Councils) were supposed to be waiting for lawful national guidance for schools from the EHRC. MN users were understandably cynical because David Isaac was then in charge of the EHRC but he has since been replaced by Baroness Faulkner who now has her work cut out to replace his mess.

(What happened to the national guidelines for schools - anyone know?)

I don't know if this was the same girl or not, @2fallsagain*? I'd love to understand it all better.

2fallsfromSSA · 20/10/2021 09:31

There were two different girls in the two cases.

The national guidance was "put on hold".

Beamur · 20/10/2021 10:18

It's the wholesale lack of vision in seeing the wider impact these policies have on other groups or other people.
There's also a stunning lack of safeguards for when these are breached by people acting in bad faith or when these children are themselves a safeguarding risk to others.
There was a lot of noise in the media a few months ago about the onslaught of harassment and rape of girls in schools - I don't see how giving boys the green light (under the guise of being trans, especially'stealth-trans' as per the glossary) in entering areas like changing rooms and toilets is remotely helpful.

DraintheBlood · 20/10/2021 10:34

I emailed it to the contact email on Ssa this morning.

I’m really glad I posted this now because I use ssa resources to argue with schools we use/will be using, but I never realised that I can pass it onto ssa to deal with yourself.

Thank you!!!

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