Finn Mackay in Guardian today

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I quite liked this today. I am very poorly informed but think I will get reading.

Guardian link Finn Mackay article

FM seems to only care about one sex. And it's not the women survivors of male violence.

Quite. And for the person promoted as 'bring an end to the gender wars' this is frankly disturbing. Because, so far, it's seeming like a substantial cohort of women are still being told to be quiet on a number of issues on the apprehension that dealing with rapey creeps draws attention to the implications of implementing a full LGBTQ+ agenda in Stonewall's preferred manner.

[quote CharlieParley]And here is FM's comment to one woman on Twitter who told Finn that she took part in the research and that she and two of her friends had been assaulted by a male member of the trans community:

First FM says emphatically "I do believe you" and then

Yes, that is a problem. There are rapey creeps in our community unfortunately. I jst don't think it's going to help us to address it, with the sex & gender conservative mainstream peering in from outside & using that to pursue an anti LGBTQ agenda, picking off trans women first.

FM seems to only care about one sex. And it's not the women survivors of male violence.

twitter.com/Finn_Mackay/status/1453053866455470081?s=20[/quote]
Why is there not a vomit emoji in mumsnet.

Maybe FM is actually a man with attitudes like that

@Franca123

Maybe FM is actually a man with attitudes like that

It's not necessary for FM to be male to practise and promulgate misogyny, no matter how internalised.

When people fret about 'safe' environments, how safe would lesbians feel disclosing some traumatic experiences to someone who would immediately discount them or attempt to persuade them to repress them?

It's an eerily lived example of Lifton's #7 of the 8 criteria of thought reform (research conducted with prisoners of war who'd been subjected to thought reform techniques; people in closed communities etc.):

Doctrine over person. Members' personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4382551-Live-not-by-lies-Solzhenitsyn-no-tambourines-involved?msgid=111900052

Claire Heuchan's response to Finn really resonated with me:

"Women and girls are always expected to keep quiet about experiences of sexual harassment and violence for the supposed greater good. For the family, for the church, for the community. And now, apparently, for the sake of LGBT unity."

twitter.com/ClaireShrugged/status/1453067788583583757

[quote ditalini]Claire Heuchan's response to Finn really resonated with me:

"Women and girls are always expected to keep quiet about experiences of sexual harassment and violence for the supposed greater good. For the family, for the church, for the community. And now, apparently, for the sake of LGBT unity."

twitter.com/ClaireShrugged/status/1453067788583583757[/quote]
Yes - so powerful.

There is never a good or right time for women and girls to speak about their experiences of harassment and violence. Others must be centered all the time. It's another instance of doctrine over person as above and practised on a vast scale.

As the recent James Kirkup piece in The Times demonstrated, even when men talk about domestic violence the comments are filled with NAMALT and men protesting that the violence against them is ignored.

There's a thread on the Kirkup piece with link here if anyone hasn't seen it and is interested btw. The whiny male BTL comments happened even though he makes it very clear what he thinks of men making those sorts of comments.

Comment piece on domestic violence in the times today - another good column from James Kirkup www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism/4384313-comment-piece-on-domestic-violence-in-the-times-today-another-good-column-from-james-kirkup