Please help with links to trans criminals offending rates

[buckeejit]

I'm in a SM discussion with someone that has gotten into this area. I linked fair play for women about transwomen offending but he doesn't think it's a representative sample.

Are there any other sources about rates of offence for men & women corresponding to their sex rather than gender

Try this:
transcrimeuk.com/

Many thanks-that's the one I was thinking of but couldn't find. Ow he wants something 'less biased'!

It's quite a difficult thing to google as crime against trans people comes up with the most links

If only people applied the same skepticism to claims from the other side :)

What does he mean about "representative"? Are you talking about this?

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

That's based on official statistics obtained via FOI requests, which are linked - that's the complete prison population - so can't get more representative.

Here's something "unbiased" on the other end.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

Don't recall any "neutral" media source looking at the committing rates though.

Ask him to disprove it with sources. His turn to do some of the work.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4333732-5-of-participants-in-womens-prison-research-were-trans-Lancet-journal-refuses-to-publish-letter-questioning-statistics

Thanks all, have used those links. I'm going to start a spreadsheet of links on various GC topics as I can never find the info when I need it.

Another commenter piping in with TWAW, end of.

I've mostly avoided Facebook comments on GC issues but have got to the stage of being so pissed off with any GC views being vilified. Hoping that other lurkers will read some of the links & start to question things.

Ministry of Justice statistics are not representative? This guy simply doesn't want to know. Ask him for stats that show transwomen don't have the same patterns if criminality as other male offenders.

Glinner's latest post is on this topic. It may be crimes TO (or lack of), rather than crimes BY, though.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable

To some extent the differences are so stark, you can even debate the need for statistics.

It's more than a 10:1 difference.

As a first approximation, within the trans population there are a lot of violent male offenders, and almost no violent female offenders.

Exactly the same as the rest of the population.

The most cursory look at news reports shows this. You will struggle to find female sex offenders in the trans population, just as non-trans.

I've found this useful

This isn't quite it but I'm sure WPUK and somewhere else have looked at this

womansplaceuk.org/2021/07/07/womens-prisons-male-transgender-prisoners/

kpssinfo.org/whats-the-problem/

It's quite a difficult thing to google as crime against trans people comes up with the most links

Doesn't that tell you something? Are you comfortable pushing an ideology that actively spreads hate against a minority group?

I've realised those stats will be deemed biased.

Key point made in the BBC Nolan report; these analyses are not being collected by anyone other than feminist orgs.

At what point is a fact deemed un biased?

50% of transwomen prisoners have a conviction for at least 1 sexual offence.

That's a fact from FOI requests.

Tell him to make his own FOI request so it's not from a biased source. It will be the same result.

This is a detailed analysis submitted to parliament committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

Try duckduckgo instead of google. Google actively pushes results showing trans as victims to the top and buries the much more common stories of trans-identifying males committing crimes. Also, many news sources avoid mentioning 'trans' in stories about trans criminals, hence all the stories of late about "women" raping and abusing children, often featuring a rather contrasting photograph or a "formerly known as" in the second paragraph. Google also ran a campaign against Liz Truss and pro-self ID. Fairplayforwomen are good though because they use MoJ stats. But yeah, as pp said, maybe the opposing guy can provide some evidence (chance would be a fine thing!).

From which

Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners):

76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%

125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%

13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

The Swedish study is interesting and found male patterns of offending.

@CorrBlimeyGG

It's quite a difficult thing to google as crime against trans people comes up with the most links

Doesn't that tell you something? Are you comfortable pushing an ideology that actively spreads hate against a minority group?

It tells me that google are pushing a narrative that transpeople are overwhelming victims of crime when the reverse is actually true.

This study found that:

Second, regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6; 95% CI 4.1–10.8) but not compared to males (aHR 0.8; 95% CI 0.5–1.2). This indicates that they retained a male pattern regarding criminality. The same was true regarding violent crime.

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885&utm_source=mandiner&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=mandiner_202101

This is great thanks. Yes it tells me also that Google are pushing a narrative

I think I'm out now, I've said enough & posted various links. Another case of someone with their fingers in their ears. Keeps wanting peer reviewed studies now!

I'm off to look at the Swedish study now

Are you comfortable pushing an ideology that actively spreads hate against a minority group?

You don't know what 'ideology' means.

he wants something 'less biased'!

Of course he does - ask him how to provide sex disaggregated data when crimes are recorded by gender identity, not sex.

Oh ffs. Mumsnet hide archived links.

Here, if this thread is no longer available, its been archived;

'However, the risk ax tool that is used for adult men who have been convicted of sexual offences, the OASys Sexual reoffending Predictor Score (OSP), is not used for male prisoners with a GRC because these prisoners are treated as female, and this risk ax tool is used with women.
Documents obtained by us through FOIA indicate that no consideration was given to the safety of female offenders when drawing up the conditions of use for the OSP with prisoners of the male sex who identify as transgender. '
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